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		By: Taylor Holmes		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Taylor Holmes]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Mar 2017 04:37:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://taylorholmes.com/2014/09/21/in-praise-of-coherence-or-decoherence/#comment-896901&quot;&gt;Raja&lt;/a&gt;.

Raja, 
Stop. What. You. Are. Doing... 
and go watch primer this instant. Then come back and read my review and comment. If you liked this movie, you will adore Primer. I promise you. And also, I agree with you about how little traction these fantastic movies get.  

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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://taylorholmes.com/2014/09/21/in-praise-of-coherence-or-decoherence/#comment-896901">Raja</a>.</p>
<p>Raja,<br />
Stop. What. You. Are. Doing&#8230;<br />
and go watch primer this instant. Then come back and read my review and comment. If you liked this movie, you will adore Primer. I promise you. And also, I agree with you about how little traction these fantastic movies get.  </p>
<p>Taylor</p>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Mar 2017 18:20:33 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Man , i saw this tonight and the biggest thing was that I accidentally started watching this film,like accidentally opened this film while searching for another . And man does this blow your mind and I definitely think that laurie is not from that reality at the start. The sad thing is no one,literally no one in our country know about these films like primer etc and only know memento because they used its concept in an Hindi film and interstellar because of it&#039;s director&#039;s dark knight.
       by the way the other movie primer, I haven&#039;t seen it yet but heard it&#039;s a total mindf**ker online..]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Man , i saw this tonight and the biggest thing was that I accidentally started watching this film,like accidentally opened this film while searching for another . And man does this blow your mind and I definitely think that laurie is not from that reality at the start. The sad thing is no one,literally no one in our country know about these films like primer etc and only know memento because they used its concept in an Hindi film and interstellar because of it&#8217;s director&#8217;s dark knight.<br />
       by the way the other movie primer, I haven&#8217;t seen it yet but heard it&#8217;s a total mindf**ker online..</p>
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		By: Gabriel		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Dec 2016 20:48:48 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://taylorholmes.com/2014/09/21/in-praise-of-coherence-or-decoherence/#comment-138970&quot;&gt;zern&lt;/a&gt;.

I&#039;m a year and a half later, but I&#039;d like to add that I feel the same as you, Zern. The stupidity really damaged the movie for me. I think the worst of all was their reaction to lights going out.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://taylorholmes.com/2014/09/21/in-praise-of-coherence-or-decoherence/#comment-138970">zern</a>.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m a year and a half later, but I&#8217;d like to add that I feel the same as you, Zern. The stupidity really damaged the movie for me. I think the worst of all was their reaction to lights going out.</p>
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		By: zern		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[zern]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2015 01:21:33 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://taylorholmes.com/2014/09/21/in-praise-of-coherence-or-decoherence/#comment-138848&quot;&gt;Taylor&lt;/a&gt;.

You&#039;ve apparently misunderstood my first paragraph. &#039;this flick is nowhere near as good. Doesn’t come close. Nowhere. Near.&#039; is what I said about Coherence. Everything else is also about it. Now, the Primer is amongst my favourite, most-esteemed films, which is why I went on such an aggressive streak mentioning all the flaws I could recall about Coherence, which from my POV doesn&#039;t hold a candle to it, when I saw them being compared. Coherence looks good and I wouldn&#039;t say anything bad about the acting and whatnot, but the story and the setting, it really feels to me as a third-world-problem film, you know, a bunch of snobs who&#039;s got it made just going nearly (and one of them completely) savage when they face a smallest problem, non-threatening even, and what they do is make it such. Which is why you can&#039;t feel sorry for them! The plot is flat, it makes the sci-fi element irrelevant, throws it at the background.

As for the films, here&#039;s thee you probably haven&#039;t seen that also explore identity issues.
Face of Another, Clone Returns Home, Solaris (to hell with that Soderbergh version, I&#039;m talking about Tarkovsky&#039;s 1972 film). And also Moon, which everybody&#039;s seen but it&#039;s worth mentioning.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://taylorholmes.com/2014/09/21/in-praise-of-coherence-or-decoherence/#comment-138848">Taylor</a>.</p>
<p>You&#8217;ve apparently misunderstood my first paragraph. &#8216;this flick is nowhere near as good. Doesn’t come close. Nowhere. Near.&#8217; is what I said about Coherence. Everything else is also about it. Now, the Primer is amongst my favourite, most-esteemed films, which is why I went on such an aggressive streak mentioning all the flaws I could recall about Coherence, which from my POV doesn&#8217;t hold a candle to it, when I saw them being compared. Coherence looks good and I wouldn&#8217;t say anything bad about the acting and whatnot, but the story and the setting, it really feels to me as a third-world-problem film, you know, a bunch of snobs who&#8217;s got it made just going nearly (and one of them completely) savage when they face a smallest problem, non-threatening even, and what they do is make it such. Which is why you can&#8217;t feel sorry for them! The plot is flat, it makes the sci-fi element irrelevant, throws it at the background.</p>
<p>As for the films, here&#8217;s thee you probably haven&#8217;t seen that also explore identity issues.<br />
Face of Another, Clone Returns Home, Solaris (to hell with that Soderbergh version, I&#8217;m talking about Tarkovsky&#8217;s 1972 film). And also Moon, which everybody&#8217;s seen but it&#8217;s worth mentioning.</p>
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		By: Taylor		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Jun 2015 03:29:39 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Hey Zern,
Believe it or not, I have friends that say EXACTLY THE SAME THING about Primer. Granted I popped their tires because of it. But they hated the terrible sound dubbing (which Carrith had to re-do from scratch to even get it that good) and the flat dialogue. I completely disagree, but it is what it is.

I personally like it when directors take a risk and do something totally different. Sure, the comet is a Deus Ex Machina to end them all. Sure the ad-libbing can show through occasionally, but overall it caught me by surprise as a movie that makes you have to think to follow it. I could argue with you point by point, but I really do not disagree with you. I just abhor avengers 27 and Jurassic Amusement Park 92 so much I&#039;ll take something different every time. 

Why don&#039;t you give me a couple of your favorite films that I&#039;d enjoy. I am seen a bunch of movies, but I am sure you have a golden nugget in there that I haven&#039;t seen yet. Come on, out with it! Hahah. Thanks for taking the time to comment. I really do understand where you are coming from.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Zern,<br />
Believe it or not, I have friends that say EXACTLY THE SAME THING about Primer. Granted I popped their tires because of it. But they hated the terrible sound dubbing (which Carrith had to re-do from scratch to even get it that good) and the flat dialogue. I completely disagree, but it is what it is.</p>
<p>I personally like it when directors take a risk and do something totally different. Sure, the comet is a Deus Ex Machina to end them all. Sure the ad-libbing can show through occasionally, but overall it caught me by surprise as a movie that makes you have to think to follow it. I could argue with you point by point, but I really do not disagree with you. I just abhor avengers 27 and Jurassic Amusement Park 92 so much I&#8217;ll take something different every time. </p>
<p>Why don&#8217;t you give me a couple of your favorite films that I&#8217;d enjoy. I am seen a bunch of movies, but I am sure you have a golden nugget in there that I haven&#8217;t seen yet. Come on, out with it! Hahah. Thanks for taking the time to comment. I really do understand where you are coming from.</p>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Jun 2015 01:35:24 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Compare it to Primer all you want, fair enough, it does take a several pages out of Primer&#039;s book, but this flick is nowhere near as good. Doesn&#039;t come close. Nowhere. Near.
The concept I agree is an interesting base for a plot, but the story... but the characters... Are probably some of the most non-gripping ones I&#039;ve seen in a picture. I just couldn&#039;t really give a damn about them. They keep freaking out and do the stupid things without stopping for a sec and getting in their head that THERE IS NO PROBLEM! The whole second act of it I just wanted to give them a round face slap because they don&#039;t learn and they don&#039;t reason as normal people would, and now that they&#039;ve finally realized what was going on, all they had to do was relax and wait because evidently, they&#039;re all the exact same people that lived the same lives up until that night, regardless of where they came from. The worst thing that&#039;s happened to them really was the he-slept-with-your-wife-10-years-ago-and-everybody-but-you-knew issue, but at least there was complete set of people in the house! No problem at that point! And then the blond, couldn&#039;t bother to memorize her name, has proven to be the dumbest one of the bunch - not only did she not sat her ass down and waited, she opted to go find the first verse (pointless, because people from it are also scattered at that point, she knows that! so why do that?) and, since she didn&#039;t find the one, she figured hey, there&#039;s a whole lot of walking and no headway here, why don&#039;t I just kill my other self from some other verse? Seriously?! Do you really think a normal person would have such motivation for a murder? If she was ready to kill to live in any reality just so that she would be the only one there, why didn&#039;t she just stayed? Doesn&#039;t make sense.
There&#039;s a lot of idiotic things in this movie starting from pushing the explanation of coherence and broken screens over to the flying comet (ugh... the comet... why not the flying fairies?) and finishing with the blond simply putting the corpse in the bath and then walking away from it calmly (as if nobody will ever notice a corpse in the tub of their house!) but the worst part as I&#039;d mentioned is that there&#039;s a potent concept and no believable or gripping story in this movie. Unless you find idiots really compelling.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Compare it to Primer all you want, fair enough, it does take a several pages out of Primer&#8217;s book, but this flick is nowhere near as good. Doesn&#8217;t come close. Nowhere. Near.<br />
The concept I agree is an interesting base for a plot, but the story&#8230; but the characters&#8230; Are probably some of the most non-gripping ones I&#8217;ve seen in a picture. I just couldn&#8217;t really give a damn about them. They keep freaking out and do the stupid things without stopping for a sec and getting in their head that THERE IS NO PROBLEM! The whole second act of it I just wanted to give them a round face slap because they don&#8217;t learn and they don&#8217;t reason as normal people would, and now that they&#8217;ve finally realized what was going on, all they had to do was relax and wait because evidently, they&#8217;re all the exact same people that lived the same lives up until that night, regardless of where they came from. The worst thing that&#8217;s happened to them really was the he-slept-with-your-wife-10-years-ago-and-everybody-but-you-knew issue, but at least there was complete set of people in the house! No problem at that point! And then the blond, couldn&#8217;t bother to memorize her name, has proven to be the dumbest one of the bunch &#8211; not only did she not sat her ass down and waited, she opted to go find the first verse (pointless, because people from it are also scattered at that point, she knows that! so why do that?) and, since she didn&#8217;t find the one, she figured hey, there&#8217;s a whole lot of walking and no headway here, why don&#8217;t I just kill my other self from some other verse? Seriously?! Do you really think a normal person would have such motivation for a murder? If she was ready to kill to live in any reality just so that she would be the only one there, why didn&#8217;t she just stayed? Doesn&#8217;t make sense.<br />
There&#8217;s a lot of idiotic things in this movie starting from pushing the explanation of coherence and broken screens over to the flying comet (ugh&#8230; the comet&#8230; why not the flying fairies?) and finishing with the blond simply putting the corpse in the bath and then walking away from it calmly (as if nobody will ever notice a corpse in the tub of their house!) but the worst part as I&#8217;d mentioned is that there&#8217;s a potent concept and no believable or gripping story in this movie. Unless you find idiots really compelling.</p>
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		By: Taylor Holmes		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Taylor Holmes]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jun 2015 06:11:06 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://taylorholmes.com/2014/09/21/in-praise-of-coherence-or-decoherence/#comment-133760&quot;&gt;Rebecca&lt;/a&gt;.

Hey Rebecca 
So sorry I missed this comment. As I mentioned to Grom just a sec ago, I did a full tear down of the movie here If you are interested: http://taylorholmes.com/2015/06/19/movie-coherence-explained-and-interview-with-director-james-ward-byrkit/

But I&#039;ll tell you here too. It was Em on Kevin&#039;s voicemail. The happy Em that our main Em tried to kill in the bathroom. &#039;What does he mean by HAPPY EM&#039; I hear you saying. She was the Em that said yes to Kevin&#039;s request to go to Paris. Right? She was the one that didn&#039;t hesitate, or not answer and therefore, say no. Our Em was looking for that Em that said yes, so she could take over that life with Kevin. But that all goes to crap when she is found out on the voicemail.  

Hopefully that makes sense!
Taylor]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://taylorholmes.com/2014/09/21/in-praise-of-coherence-or-decoherence/#comment-133760">Rebecca</a>.</p>
<p>Hey Rebecca<br />
So sorry I missed this comment. As I mentioned to Grom just a sec ago, I did a full tear down of the movie here If you are interested: <a href="http://taylorholmes.com/2015/06/19/movie-coherence-explained-and-interview-with-director-james-ward-byrkit/" rel="ugc">http://taylorholmes.com/2015/06/19/movie-coherence-explained-and-interview-with-director-james-ward-byrkit/</a></p>
<p>But I&#8217;ll tell you here too. It was Em on Kevin&#8217;s voicemail. The happy Em that our main Em tried to kill in the bathroom. &#8216;What does he mean by HAPPY EM&#8217; I hear you saying. She was the Em that said yes to Kevin&#8217;s request to go to Paris. Right? She was the one that didn&#8217;t hesitate, or not answer and therefore, say no. Our Em was looking for that Em that said yes, so she could take over that life with Kevin. But that all goes to crap when she is found out on the voicemail.  </p>
<p>Hopefully that makes sense!<br />
Taylor</p>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Taylor Holmes]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jun 2015 06:04:33 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://taylorholmes.com/2014/09/21/in-praise-of-coherence-or-decoherence/#comment-138420&quot;&gt;Gromm&lt;/a&gt;.

Hey there Gromm,
Thanks for the comment. Just spent like twenty minutes banging out a response with my thumbs on an iPad when I got overly clever and lost the whole ream of brilliance. Bah. Anyway, first things first, I recently released &lt;a href=&quot;http://taylorholmes.com/2015/06/19/movie-coherence-explained-and-interview-with-director-james-ward-byrkit/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;my full tear down of this movie&lt;/a&gt; that you might find interesting... Like 3,000 words of rabbit holeness. But it&#039;s the last 800 that are the money shot if you want to skip to the love. I also &lt;a href=&quot;http://taylorholmes.com/2015/06/20/full-interview-with-coherence-writer-director-james-byrkit/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;interviewed Byrkit&lt;/a&gt; as well and he made me aware of stuff that helped me uncover the money shot. 

Which - leads you to say to yourself, who cares? - save for the fact that you are right on with your thoughts about us searching for that perfect self and that perfect choice. Byrkit told me straight out that Em isn&#039;t looking for Kevin Prime. She&#039;s looking for the Kevin she said yes too... The happy Em. The happy Kevin. Which speaks exactly to your point. It&#039;s a plague in our society, that we are perpetually unhappy with our lives, while constantly giving off airs that say you are perpetually happy with it. (Facebook and Instagram much?) and what perfect backdrop for this incessant hunting for the perfectness of life than a Hollywood hills dinner party? I adore that layer added on top of all the existential chaos that&#039;s so much more obvious. Why? Because imposter Em gets owned in the end. (Imposter is a funny thing to call the one Em we watch the whole movie long. She is the most real character we have to relate to.) and yet she is the one that tries to kill the happy version of herself. Instead of picking an unhappy Kevin and fixing it by apologizing, she attempts to kill happy Em and take her life. 

Gorgeously played good sir.
Taylor]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://taylorholmes.com/2014/09/21/in-praise-of-coherence-or-decoherence/#comment-138420">Gromm</a>.</p>
<p>Hey there Gromm,<br />
Thanks for the comment. Just spent like twenty minutes banging out a response with my thumbs on an iPad when I got overly clever and lost the whole ream of brilliance. Bah. Anyway, first things first, I recently released <a href="http://taylorholmes.com/2015/06/19/movie-coherence-explained-and-interview-with-director-james-ward-byrkit/" rel="nofollow">my full tear down of this movie</a> that you might find interesting&#8230; Like 3,000 words of rabbit holeness. But it&#8217;s the last 800 that are the money shot if you want to skip to the love. I also <a href="http://taylorholmes.com/2015/06/20/full-interview-with-coherence-writer-director-james-byrkit/" rel="nofollow">interviewed Byrkit</a> as well and he made me aware of stuff that helped me uncover the money shot. </p>
<p>Which &#8211; leads you to say to yourself, who cares? &#8211; save for the fact that you are right on with your thoughts about us searching for that perfect self and that perfect choice. Byrkit told me straight out that Em isn&#8217;t looking for Kevin Prime. She&#8217;s looking for the Kevin she said yes too&#8230; The happy Em. The happy Kevin. Which speaks exactly to your point. It&#8217;s a plague in our society, that we are perpetually unhappy with our lives, while constantly giving off airs that say you are perpetually happy with it. (Facebook and Instagram much?) and what perfect backdrop for this incessant hunting for the perfectness of life than a Hollywood hills dinner party? I adore that layer added on top of all the existential chaos that&#8217;s so much more obvious. Why? Because imposter Em gets owned in the end. (Imposter is a funny thing to call the one Em we watch the whole movie long. She is the most real character we have to relate to.) and yet she is the one that tries to kill the happy version of herself. Instead of picking an unhappy Kevin and fixing it by apologizing, she attempts to kill happy Em and take her life. </p>
<p>Gorgeously played good sir.<br />
Taylor</p>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jun 2015 03:04:46 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Late comment, but I just recently discovered the film. Looking up reviews after watching the film, I found your website as well as a review that appeared on VillageVoice.com (http://www.villagevoice.com/film/coherence-is-just-another-dinner-party-apocalypse-6442183).

I wonder what your thoughts are about that reviewer&#039;s comments. I don&#039;t mean his comments about the film&#039;s quality. Obviously fans like you and me who were mesmerized by the film don&#039;t agree with him on that. But he did make a very interesting and imho valid comment in the last paragraph.

Here&#039;s the relevant quote: &quot;[Coherence] does offer a vivid and perhaps intentional satirical portrait of L.A. culture, where solid identities swap and get lost and seem always just out of reach. &quot;We can&#039;t trust ourselves,&quot; someone says deep in, and the L.A. feeling of intoxicated unconnectedness, of being somewhere that&#039;s really nowhere, may not have a more concise cinematic analogue.&quot;

Imho this reading adds yet another layer to a film I already greatly appreciate. I wouldn&#039;t say the film is being &quot;satirical&quot; with it, but the examination of &quot;hunting for the continually elusive most perfect version of our life&quot; is imho definitely intentional, since lines like &quot;we can&#039;t trust ourselves&quot; are woven into the dialogue throughout the film.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Late comment, but I just recently discovered the film. Looking up reviews after watching the film, I found your website as well as a review that appeared on VillageVoice.com (<a href="http://www.villagevoice.com/film/coherence-is-just-another-dinner-party-apocalypse-6442183" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.villagevoice.com/film/coherence-is-just-another-dinner-party-apocalypse-6442183</a>).</p>
<p>I wonder what your thoughts are about that reviewer&#8217;s comments. I don&#8217;t mean his comments about the film&#8217;s quality. Obviously fans like you and me who were mesmerized by the film don&#8217;t agree with him on that. But he did make a very interesting and imho valid comment in the last paragraph.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s the relevant quote: &#8220;[Coherence] does offer a vivid and perhaps intentional satirical portrait of L.A. culture, where solid identities swap and get lost and seem always just out of reach. &#8220;We can&#8217;t trust ourselves,&#8221; someone says deep in, and the L.A. feeling of intoxicated unconnectedness, of being somewhere that&#8217;s really nowhere, may not have a more concise cinematic analogue.&#8221;</p>
<p>Imho this reading adds yet another layer to a film I already greatly appreciate. I wouldn&#8217;t say the film is being &#8220;satirical&#8221; with it, but the examination of &#8220;hunting for the continually elusive most perfect version of our life&#8221; is imho definitely intentional, since lines like &#8220;we can&#8217;t trust ourselves&#8221; are woven into the dialogue throughout the film.</p>
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