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		By: Juveriya		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[I think why we dislike Serene Joy more than the commander has a lot to do with the same reason Offred and Ofglen did not trust each other in the starting and believed each other to be strict followers. They have been trained to distrust each other first and then their roles.
Moreover, each time I see SJ lashing out on Offred, it is like I&#039;m seeing her beat up a part of herself. The Commander doesn&#039;t make SJ her priority, she&#039;ll lash out on Offred. She still has to go through the Ceremony, she&#039;ll put Offred behind closed doors. As soon as she thinks, that life will be back to normal (as normal as it could be in that society - with a baby) she starts treating Offred like a friend and that treatment has more to do than taking care of a Cow. It&#039;s almost like she sees Offred as a medium that is going to make her life better. Not a person but an object who is either filling or failing in fulfilling its purpose.
So, SJ and Offred, while in the same condition, fail to see that they are in the same condition, shunned by the same society and beliefs. And maybe that is why, when we hear SJ, it provokes more dislike.
Moreover, the Commander isn&#039;t as highlighted and included in the episodes till now. The shots till now are focused more over how females are treating other females - the aunts, the wives and the handmaidens. The eye is a fear and the commander is the king - they are threats that haven&#039;t been explored in the series yet.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think why we dislike Serene Joy more than the commander has a lot to do with the same reason Offred and Ofglen did not trust each other in the starting and believed each other to be strict followers. They have been trained to distrust each other first and then their roles.<br />
Moreover, each time I see SJ lashing out on Offred, it is like I&#8217;m seeing her beat up a part of herself. The Commander doesn&#8217;t make SJ her priority, she&#8217;ll lash out on Offred. She still has to go through the Ceremony, she&#8217;ll put Offred behind closed doors. As soon as she thinks, that life will be back to normal (as normal as it could be in that society &#8211; with a baby) she starts treating Offred like a friend and that treatment has more to do than taking care of a Cow. It&#8217;s almost like she sees Offred as a medium that is going to make her life better. Not a person but an object who is either filling or failing in fulfilling its purpose.<br />
So, SJ and Offred, while in the same condition, fail to see that they are in the same condition, shunned by the same society and beliefs. And maybe that is why, when we hear SJ, it provokes more dislike.<br />
Moreover, the Commander isn&#8217;t as highlighted and included in the episodes till now. The shots till now are focused more over how females are treating other females &#8211; the aunts, the wives and the handmaidens. The eye is a fear and the commander is the king &#8211; they are threats that haven&#8217;t been explored in the series yet.</p>
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		By: Juveriya		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Sep 2018 14:57:27 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I think why we dislike Serene Joy more than the commander has a lot to do with the same reason Offred and Ofglen did not trust each other in the starting and believed each other to be strict followers. 
They have been trained to distrust each other first and then their roles.
Moreover, each time I see SJ lashing out on Offred, it is like I&#039;m seeing her beat up a part of herself. The Commander doesn&#039;t make SJ her priority, she&#039;ll lash out on aoffred. She still has to go through the Ceremony, she&#039;ll put Offred behind closed doors. As soon as she thinks, that life will be back to normal (as normal as it could be in that society - with a baby) she starts treating Offred like a friend and that treatment has more to do than taking care of a Cow. It&#039;s almost like she sees Offred as a friend who is going to make her life better.
- So, SJ and Offred, while in the same condition, fail to see that they are in the same condition, shunned by the same society and beliefs.
And maybe that is why, when we hear SJ, it povokes more dislike.
- Moreover, the Commander isn&#039;t as highlighted and included in the episodes till now. The shots till now are focused more over how females are treating other females - the aunts, the wives and the handmaidens. The eye is a fear and the commander is the king - they are threats that haven&#039;t been explored in the series yet.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think why we dislike Serene Joy more than the commander has a lot to do with the same reason Offred and Ofglen did not trust each other in the starting and believed each other to be strict followers.<br />
They have been trained to distrust each other first and then their roles.<br />
Moreover, each time I see SJ lashing out on Offred, it is like I&#8217;m seeing her beat up a part of herself. The Commander doesn&#8217;t make SJ her priority, she&#8217;ll lash out on aoffred. She still has to go through the Ceremony, she&#8217;ll put Offred behind closed doors. As soon as she thinks, that life will be back to normal (as normal as it could be in that society &#8211; with a baby) she starts treating Offred like a friend and that treatment has more to do than taking care of a Cow. It&#8217;s almost like she sees Offred as a friend who is going to make her life better.<br />
&#8211; So, SJ and Offred, while in the same condition, fail to see that they are in the same condition, shunned by the same society and beliefs.<br />
And maybe that is why, when we hear SJ, it povokes more dislike.<br />
&#8211; Moreover, the Commander isn&#8217;t as highlighted and included in the episodes till now. The shots till now are focused more over how females are treating other females &#8211; the aunts, the wives and the handmaidens. The eye is a fear and the commander is the king &#8211; they are threats that haven&#8217;t been explored in the series yet.</p>
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		By: anuska		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Jul 2017 20:55:23 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Can somebody explain to me why Offred didn&#039;t escape with Moira? I mean when the soldiers started to harrass Offred, Moira should&#039;ve said something like &quot;leave her alone, she&#039;s with me, we&#039;re going to Boston&quot; and they could&#039;ve get on the train together. Am I missing something important? That scene made no sense to me this way.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can somebody explain to me why Offred didn&#8217;t escape with Moira? I mean when the soldiers started to harrass Offred, Moira should&#8217;ve said something like &#8220;leave her alone, she&#8217;s with me, we&#8217;re going to Boston&#8221; and they could&#8217;ve get on the train together. Am I missing something important? That scene made no sense to me this way.</p>
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		By: Happy Pancake		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[So much to chew on!  Perhaps I ought to organize by character.

Serena Joy - I try to keep in mind that not only is she forced to watch her husband have relations with another woman on the regular, our Offred isn&#039;t the first other woman/handmaid/Offred that SJ has had to watch this happen with.  I don&#039;t know how long Gilead has been around, but presumably she was married to the Commander prior to it - and if this is the third woman he cannot impregnate, it is likely he who is the problem and she has guessed it.  Perhaps that is why SJ became so joyous at the sliver of possibility that Offred was pregnant.  It was quite the turnaround of behavior, and it seemed like even more than baby-fever and religious-ferver.  She truly was treating treating Offred as a miracle, as if her husband had one sperm live and make the journey alone.  Additionally, if Offred was pregnant, SJ would have to endure the Ceremony no longer.

The Commander - As you pointed out, he is an architect of the regime, and a true antagonist our story.  As I mentioned in an earlier comment, power corrupts.  He invites his Handmaid for forbidden personal time, game playing, dictionary usage,  latin translation and alcohol.  He gifted her a magazine that he should have burned, and he allowed himself to be manipulated by an underling to let her leave her room.  He is indulging himself in emotional corruption, and I don&#039;t believe it is because he felt bad that pre-Offred offed herself.  He wants the Ceremony to have some intimacy by connecting with Offred as a person.  Additionally, we saw him rebuff his wife.  I imagine SJ has changed.  Hardened.  Who wouldn&#039;t under the circumstances?  She is not the woman he originally fell in love with.  So he is excusing his indulgences.  But he has an inscrutable face, unchallengeable power (for certain in the home and much power outside of it), and I fear for Offred as she tests the limits of his indulgence.

The Driver - A young man without power but who seems to have some autonomy and some knowledge of both the regime and the resistance.  He seems attracted to Offred and worried about her, but I am reminded that there is an Eye in the house.  If the Commander can be swayed by emotion, so could a driver who is an Eye.  Just a possibility.

Martha/The Cook - We know the least about her.  She also may be the Eye, but I think it is less likely in that she seems to leave the house the least and that would not afford her the opportunity to pass along information to the regime.  She also had a significant turn of personality when she thought Offred might be pregnant.  Would it be because the household in general would be happier and that would make things less difficult for her?  What else would she get out of it?  

The Eye - I believe the Eye would spy on all levels of caste and power.  So it would not be the Commander or his wife.  It must be someone who could pass as resistance, and thereby gain information from resistance.  It must be someone who gains the ear of power so any cracks therein could be revealed.  So, perhaps it is the Driver.  Perhaps his kindness to Offred is merely a manipulation.  He was aware already that Ofglen was &quot;dangerous.&quot;

Offred - If I haven&#039;t said it before, Elisabeth Moss is MAGNIFICENT as Offred.  The subtle expressions that tell of deep pools of emotion and life beneath.  Offred&#039;s inner monologue...no....inner prayer, as she is about to face the Black Truck interrogator and Aunt, praying to God(?) that she will be devout and compliant if she can just get through this.  But deep down, devout and compliant will never be who she is.  Not one minute later, she was withholding from the interrogator and sassing the Aunt.  Withholding was survival, but sassing was cavalierly standing up for herself.  It was resistance.  It was an assertion that no matter how compliant they make her body, they will not take her heart and mind.

Moira - I hope she escaped and was not killed.  The rumor of her demise was not definitive.  I sometimes make the choice to look at imdb and see how many episodes an actor is in, and that can tell you things about their character&#039;s fate, though that is not as helpful when flashbacks occur.   As Offred&#039;s husband and child have been lost to her since her ordeal began, Moira is Offred&#039;s touchstone to reality.  She was present in both before and after, and she is the living embodiment of hope - that she got on the train and made it out.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So much to chew on!  Perhaps I ought to organize by character.</p>
<p>Serena Joy &#8211; I try to keep in mind that not only is she forced to watch her husband have relations with another woman on the regular, our Offred isn&#8217;t the first other woman/handmaid/Offred that SJ has had to watch this happen with.  I don&#8217;t know how long Gilead has been around, but presumably she was married to the Commander prior to it &#8211; and if this is the third woman he cannot impregnate, it is likely he who is the problem and she has guessed it.  Perhaps that is why SJ became so joyous at the sliver of possibility that Offred was pregnant.  It was quite the turnaround of behavior, and it seemed like even more than baby-fever and religious-ferver.  She truly was treating treating Offred as a miracle, as if her husband had one sperm live and make the journey alone.  Additionally, if Offred was pregnant, SJ would have to endure the Ceremony no longer.</p>
<p>The Commander &#8211; As you pointed out, he is an architect of the regime, and a true antagonist our story.  As I mentioned in an earlier comment, power corrupts.  He invites his Handmaid for forbidden personal time, game playing, dictionary usage,  latin translation and alcohol.  He gifted her a magazine that he should have burned, and he allowed himself to be manipulated by an underling to let her leave her room.  He is indulging himself in emotional corruption, and I don&#8217;t believe it is because he felt bad that pre-Offred offed herself.  He wants the Ceremony to have some intimacy by connecting with Offred as a person.  Additionally, we saw him rebuff his wife.  I imagine SJ has changed.  Hardened.  Who wouldn&#8217;t under the circumstances?  She is not the woman he originally fell in love with.  So he is excusing his indulgences.  But he has an inscrutable face, unchallengeable power (for certain in the home and much power outside of it), and I fear for Offred as she tests the limits of his indulgence.</p>
<p>The Driver &#8211; A young man without power but who seems to have some autonomy and some knowledge of both the regime and the resistance.  He seems attracted to Offred and worried about her, but I am reminded that there is an Eye in the house.  If the Commander can be swayed by emotion, so could a driver who is an Eye.  Just a possibility.</p>
<p>Martha/The Cook &#8211; We know the least about her.  She also may be the Eye, but I think it is less likely in that she seems to leave the house the least and that would not afford her the opportunity to pass along information to the regime.  She also had a significant turn of personality when she thought Offred might be pregnant.  Would it be because the household in general would be happier and that would make things less difficult for her?  What else would she get out of it?  </p>
<p>The Eye &#8211; I believe the Eye would spy on all levels of caste and power.  So it would not be the Commander or his wife.  It must be someone who could pass as resistance, and thereby gain information from resistance.  It must be someone who gains the ear of power so any cracks therein could be revealed.  So, perhaps it is the Driver.  Perhaps his kindness to Offred is merely a manipulation.  He was aware already that Ofglen was &#8220;dangerous.&#8221;</p>
<p>Offred &#8211; If I haven&#8217;t said it before, Elisabeth Moss is MAGNIFICENT as Offred.  The subtle expressions that tell of deep pools of emotion and life beneath.  Offred&#8217;s inner monologue&#8230;no&#8230;.inner prayer, as she is about to face the Black Truck interrogator and Aunt, praying to God(?) that she will be devout and compliant if she can just get through this.  But deep down, devout and compliant will never be who she is.  Not one minute later, she was withholding from the interrogator and sassing the Aunt.  Withholding was survival, but sassing was cavalierly standing up for herself.  It was resistance.  It was an assertion that no matter how compliant they make her body, they will not take her heart and mind.</p>
<p>Moira &#8211; I hope she escaped and was not killed.  The rumor of her demise was not definitive.  I sometimes make the choice to look at imdb and see how many episodes an actor is in, and that can tell you things about their character&#8217;s fate, though that is not as helpful when flashbacks occur.   As Offred&#8217;s husband and child have been lost to her since her ordeal began, Moira is Offred&#8217;s touchstone to reality.  She was present in both before and after, and she is the living embodiment of hope &#8211; that she got on the train and made it out.</p>
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		By: Judy		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 08 May 2017 01:59:43 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Well, I&#039;m just going to have to read the book! :)   Perhaps we will come to like the Commander less - and Serena Joy more - oh, darn, can&#039;t wait till Wednesday...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, I&#8217;m just going to have to read the book! :)   Perhaps we will come to like the Commander less &#8211; and Serena Joy more &#8211; oh, darn, can&#8217;t wait till Wednesday&#8230;</p>
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		By: Taylor Holmes		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Taylor Holmes]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 May 2017 18:50:01 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://taylorholmes.com/2017/05/05/handmaids-tale-episode-4-explained-in-detail/#comment-901573&quot;&gt;Judy&lt;/a&gt;.

Serena Joy (or Pam, which is probably her real name(?) - per the book anyway) was an accomplished and touring singer before the rise of the republic. Post revolution, the book tells us she was a motivational speaker, and only did that (ie work outside the home) because she cared about the republic and was doing it as a sacrifice. Outside of that, she was a very accomplished knitter. heheh, and spent much of her free time knitting. 

But yes, totally on target. She is in a really really bad way. (And it is only going to get worse for her before it gets better(?)) My only point is, we hate her because she is a tyrant. And yet, it isn&#039;t too surprising she&#039;s a tyrant. I&#039;ve read some interviews with Yvonne Strahovski and she was fairly bowled over by the part. She really worried about taking the part home with her. Etc. What I was most interested in, was why I didn&#039;t hate the Commander as much. I mean, besides the fact that he&#039;s nice. Which, should be irrelevant. But it is an interesting question.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://taylorholmes.com/2017/05/05/handmaids-tale-episode-4-explained-in-detail/#comment-901573">Judy</a>.</p>
<p>Serena Joy (or Pam, which is probably her real name(?) &#8211; per the book anyway) was an accomplished and touring singer before the rise of the republic. Post revolution, the book tells us she was a motivational speaker, and only did that (ie work outside the home) because she cared about the republic and was doing it as a sacrifice. Outside of that, she was a very accomplished knitter. heheh, and spent much of her free time knitting. </p>
<p>But yes, totally on target. She is in a really really bad way. (And it is only going to get worse for her before it gets better(?)) My only point is, we hate her because she is a tyrant. And yet, it isn&#8217;t too surprising she&#8217;s a tyrant. I&#8217;ve read some interviews with Yvonne Strahovski and she was fairly bowled over by the part. She really worried about taking the part home with her. Etc. What I was most interested in, was why I didn&#8217;t hate the Commander as much. I mean, besides the fact that he&#8217;s nice. Which, should be irrelevant. But it is an interesting question.</p>
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					<description><![CDATA[Actually, although Serena Joy presents as an  unlikable character,  I realize that she&#039;s in quite a lot of emotional pain - we don&#039;t know what kind of career she had before she had to take on this subservient-to-husband role, so she&#039;s most likely terribly bored  - plus it is obvious that she&#039;s in love with/extremely attracted to her husband and not only does she have to watch him having intercourse with the handmaid, she has to HOLD the handmaid between her own legs, plus her husband rebuffs her amorous advances - and, oh, imagine the agony of that kind of rejection.  I remember as a teen having a gigantic crush on a boy who didn&#039;t return my feelings, and when he started dating one of my friends and I&#039;d see them making out during parties or bus rides or whatever, the pain I felt was indescribably intense, my self-esteem plummeted,  and I became extremely depressed,  which led to me being irritable, impatient and downright grumpy.  Imagine me having to HOLD my friend while they were making out - oh, geez...  anyway, Serena Joy&#039;s emotional pain in general,  plus her resentment towards Offred,  must be off the charts, and that has a lot to do with her bitchiness...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, although Serena Joy presents as an  unlikable character,  I realize that she&#8217;s in quite a lot of emotional pain &#8211; we don&#8217;t know what kind of career she had before she had to take on this subservient-to-husband role, so she&#8217;s most likely terribly bored  &#8211; plus it is obvious that she&#8217;s in love with/extremely attracted to her husband and not only does she have to watch him having intercourse with the handmaid, she has to HOLD the handmaid between her own legs, plus her husband rebuffs her amorous advances &#8211; and, oh, imagine the agony of that kind of rejection.  I remember as a teen having a gigantic crush on a boy who didn&#8217;t return my feelings, and when he started dating one of my friends and I&#8217;d see them making out during parties or bus rides or whatever, the pain I felt was indescribably intense, my self-esteem plummeted,  and I became extremely depressed,  which led to me being irritable, impatient and downright grumpy.  Imagine me having to HOLD my friend while they were making out &#8211; oh, geez&#8230;  anyway, Serena Joy&#8217;s emotional pain in general,  plus her resentment towards Offred,  must be off the charts, and that has a lot to do with her bitchiness&#8230;</p>
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