This isn’t a normal THiNC. post. Like, not even a little bit. But I went and saw Quentin Tarantino’s film, Once Upon a Time in Hollywood the week it opened. And I haven’t stopped thinking about it since. Not even a little bit. And yesterday, I ran into a buddy out and about, and he asked me my opinion of the film. Literally, my response was, and I quote, “I literally have no idea what I think about it.” His mouth, literally, hit the floor.

But I don’t. I have zero idea what I think. Was it so meta, and such an introspective trade-rag-esque view of Hollywood that it isn’t literally what it seemed to be? Or maybe it was just making fun of itself? It’s just such a tangled web that I can’t really wrap my head around it. And this is from a guy that all I do with movies is talk about their meta-story. This one though is another beast. I don’t know where to take it seriously, and where to laugh along. I don’t really know the larger story of what is happening here.

If you haven’t seen the film yet, the story is really simple. It follows Rick Dalton (Leonardo DiCaprio), a one-time quasi-famous actor on a show called Bounty Law, and his stuntman/driver, Cliff Booth (Brad Pitt). We are watching Rick struggle with the fact that he was sort of a niche western actor that wasn’t really able to successfully cross over to celluloid, and his internal struggles with this reality that he is slowly learning. Here, maybe this trailer will talk you through it better than I can:

The movie might as well have been titled: “Rick Dalton’s Existential Crisis.” Or maybe “Quentin’s Favorite Movies Are Dead.” I mean, really, this is just a think piece, investigating Hollywood’s whims as an artistic medium. Which, are ultimately tied to the almighty dollar. Hollywood’s awful spaghetti westerns died because no one was walking up to the ticket window at the movie theater and paying for a ticket anymore. (And anyone that knows me, knows that I am sympathetic to this particular plight. This blog is 100% about helping us all find films that will actually make you think – as opposed to the standard Marvel super hero rehash.) And I see Rick Dalton as just a stand in for Tarantino himself. This is the only vantage on the movie that really makes any sort of sense to me. It’s a guy who is writing an open letter to the world bemoaning the state of the Hollywood union and the bygone days of its ability to create truly great movies.

When my buddy asked me what I thought I eventually asked him a question. “Are you hoping to go see an interesting drama/comedy, or are you hoping to see a Quentin Tarantino movie?” Personally, the dialog didn’t have any of the normal Tarantino punch that it normally can be witnessed in a Tarantino screenplay. Shall I recount a few lines for you? “If you shoot me in a dream you better wake up and apologize.” – Reservoir Dogs. “Revenge is a forest, and it’s easy to lose your way, to forget where you came in.” Kill Bill Vol. 1. “We got a German here who wants to die for his country. Oblige him.” INGLORIOUS BASTERDS. “Gentleman, you had my curiosity, now you have my attention.” Django Unchained. I mean, YOUR HONOR, I’d like to submit for you today, the entirety of the hallway conversation between Jules and Vincent as they discuss the intimacies or lack there of, of foot massages. I mean, its this level of high quality banter and insights that makes Quintin’s movies impervious to genre, corniness, or genre defiance. At least for me anyway. And probably the only really memorable line that Tarantino gives us in Once Upon a Time, well, the only one that really sticks out to me, is this one:

Bruce Lee: My hands are registered as lethal weapons. We get into a fight, I accidentally kill you. I go to jail.
Cliff Booth: Anybody accidentally kills anybody in a fight, they go to jail. It’s called manslaughter.

But maybe that’s OK. Maybe Once Upon a Time in Hollywood isn’t a stereotypical Tarantino flick with it’s over the top violence and hilariously biting commentary on life. Maybe Quentin has done something more mature and something that is saying something bigger, and better than any of his previous films. Maybe? I guess?

What Did You Think About Once Upon a Time in Hollywood?

What If Once Upon a Time Isn’t Tarantino?

So, a thought just hit me while I was trying to wrap my brain around this enigma. What if this movie wasn’t a Quinton Tarantino movie? What would I think of it if he wasn’t associated? Hrm. That’s an interesting question.

Because then, the movie is actually more about the decline of Hollywood from its western heyday. It seems to be about the phoenix of the film industry flying too closely to the sun and then falling from the sky. Only to find a rebirth in “real life.” I think? It’s about fiction, surrounded by, and missing the, real life – larger than life stories all around us. Like Charles Manson. Manson, who bubbles in and around this movie, but is almost always just off scene. It’s as if this movie maker (whoever he is!) seems to be telling us about the larger, off-screen life that the stories of Hollywood are birthed into, and collide with. I mean, even the title “Once Upon a Time in Hollywood” tells us that the movie maker was letting us know that he wanted to tell his mythical, lore-filled story, in the midst of the story making mecca of the world. And the story that we are told is that of Rick Dalton – our fictional hero – trying to rise to greatness in the movie industry. It’s about his failures as an actor. But it’s ultimately about his moment of “real” potential for heroism. It’s about Dalton’s chance to do something greater.

Wait, WHAT?

It’s a fictional story, telling a meta-narrative, that is meant to show us that it is our everyday moments of heroism that really matters. Rick Dalton is a fictional character. But this movie maker has shown us so much about his film oeuvre that we can be forgiven for assuming that Dalton was a real actor. But it was all in the service of sharing this specific idea. Maybe. That he was telling us that it wasn’t Dalton’s career, or his failing fame that mattered, but rather what he did in his “real life.” It was this one moment where he chose to intervene in a tragic situation that really mattered.

The Failure of Films

The fact that I love Tarantino, and his unparalleled writing abilities just made this movie harder for me to enjoy. Did I like it? I think, maybe? But it wasn’t a good Tarantino movie. Actually, it wasn’t even a Tarantino movie (from a shelf on Blockbuster’s shelves standpoint), but maybe if you are a Brad Pitt fan, or a Leonardo DiCaprio fan, maybe this movie is for you? If historical films, especially from the 60’s, are your thing, maybe this movie is for you. But in the final few minutes, Tarantino really shows up in this film. You know, the normal Tarantino. The witty retorts, the flamethrowers, and the chaos. Tarantino arrives full force. But only just for a couple minutes. The other 2 and a half hours though, that is a different thing entirely. So if you hate Tarantino, but love those other things, you have to get a dose of him to make it out of the theater. But if you love Tarantino, and disdain all those other things, there really isn’t enough of him there to make going to the theater worth it. It’s a truly complicated film. It’s Tarantino ala Aesop’s Fables. It’s Tarantino restrained and withdrawn. It’s Tarantino telling various threads of his story that will ultimately end up concluding with fire and violence. And yet, the real story, the story of Sharon Tate, the story that wasn’t being told in this fairy tale, was happening right over —-> literally. One house over.

It’s as if, Tarantino is saying, we can write witty comebacks, and choreograph stellar fight scenes…but film is, and only can be, story. The real stories are actually happening all around us everyday. The real message here seems to be that film succeeds at giving us distractions, while the real stories are actually happening next door. Heck, while the real stories are happening when we return from the theater. Just yesterday two massive shootings happened here in America. Scores injured, numerous people killed. The real stories are happening on our street, not on Rick Dalton’s street. And we are the ones that are actually capable of being heroes. Not washed up actors searching for their next enormous part. But us, you, and me…we are the ones that are capable of telling the really heroic stories.

Tarantino’s Oscar Chase

Let’s call a spade a spade, whether Tarantino is intentionally chasing after a pile of Oscars with this film or not, he is, in fact, chasing after a pile of Oscars with this film. It just seems like a film that the Academy will have a hard time not loving. It’s about Hollywood after all. It’s about the heyday of Hollywood. It’s about the myth of Hollywood as larger than life behemoth, and about its rising from the ashes. How can this film not win at least 5 or 6 Oscars. Obviously Tarantino will be up for best screenplay. And without a doubt, Tarantino will be up for best Director (which, he’s never received before). But also for best actor, and supporting actor. Throw in a smattering of a few other random nominations and I predict the movie hits 5 or 6 wins when all is said and done. Which would be an enormous win for Tarantino. So, I do wonder if Leonardo and Tarantino worked to posture this film entirely differently from the rest of his films. But who knows. Only time will tell on this front. But I do think this side of the Hollywood house caused a significant change in this movie, from the inside out.

What Did You Think About Once Upon a Time in Hollywood?

Final Thoughts on Once Upon a Time in Hollywood

So, after spending a couple thousand words talking about this particular movie – what do I think about it now? If I divorce myself from Tarantino – and just rate it on the merits, it was a bit slow, and the acting was hinky. Kind of like Anne Hathaway and Matthew McConaughey in Serenity, where they overacted their characters, in the pursuit of a specific point. (Not spoiling that particular movie here.) It made a campy movie all the more campy, and in effect all the more schmaltzy. Same goes here for Once Upon. The acting was just off. There was one scene with Leonardo that was absolutely beautiful – where he tossed the girl on the floor? The one where the kid tells him that that was the best acting she had ever seen…and he cried? That one. It was a truly inspired scene from an acting standpoint. Moving really. But outside of that, it was as drab as the script was uninspired. I would get it though if you were to tell me that I missed the point entirely. Because I’m pretty sure that I did, and that is despite my thorough investigation and searching for one. So yeah, if I were to rate this movie I’d probably give it a 2 out of 5. Yeah, that bad. But seeing as though I’m not a review site, but a bespoke movie recommendation site that prefers to unpack fantastic movies, than dis on bad ones, I won’t be rating it at all.

But what would you give it if you were forced to rate it? What did you think of it?

Edited by: CY

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8 Responses

  1. Bets

    Hi Taylor. I too have been struggling with this one…so much so that I find myself not even asking others if they’ve seen it because I don’t know what to say when they ask me for my opinion; or if I would recommend. I’ve tried playing the conversation out in my head beforehand and I get so stuck when coming to the part where I opine on the movie. So I just end the pretend conversation in my head and don’t bother asking the person I’m talking to about the movie.

    I am a HUGE BRAD and Leo fan; and I was so excited to finally see these two on the big screen together…that’s the best I can come up with on what I think of this movie!

    I’m so glad to know it wasn’t just me. I’ve been struggling for a week with this one. Not to mention it’s a QT movie! This had all the ingredients to instantly be a huge hit…but it wasn’t (at least not for me).


  2. Laurelei

    I loved this movie. I took it at face value for being a Fairy Tale , about what “could have been if”….and It was very poignant… and made me tear up when the end of the movie came around.. maybe I am just a sentimental fool. As someone who was always fascinated by the factors leading up to and including the night of the Manson murders, this attention to detail at the Spahn ranch was amazing, as were also all the ads, clothes, decor, hair, cars, etc. of the era. I took it very face value, and while a lot of the shock factors Quentin usually throws in were missing the ending I felt made up for that. I also loved Rick’s rant at the hippies with the margarita blender in one hand… Priceless,,,,

  3. Taylor Holmes

    @Laurelei & @Bets – the funny thing about this movie, as I read both your comments, I was like, YEAH TOTALLY! I 100% AGREE! Wish I’d said that MYSELF!!! Sort of a thing. But for BOTH of you. hahaha. Which, is impossible, because the both of you disagree.

    But that is what is so confusing to me about this movie. There were so many brilliant spot on bits here. The set direction. The period elements. The acting. Everything. So good. And yet, at the same time, NOT! I’m so confused by this movie. But Laurelei I don’t disagree with your take. And you are very much in safe company. I really do believe OUATIH will walk home with six or seven Oscars. Doubt it’ll hit eight. I think 6 is safe. But that is a butt-ton of Oscars for a QT movie.

  4. Shelby

    The only flaw I felt was that halfway through the movie I wasn’t sure what the story was.

    But now that I’ve been able to digest it, I see that it was at least 2 stories: 1) the death of film (which he has talked about a lot) and 2) “what if, instead of killing Sharon Tate et al, Manson’s people tried to kill the people next door instead?”

    With a Tarantino movie it’s hard to not have high expectations. And I think that’s part of the problem. We expected a really fun, intense movie. So maybe it’s a bit of a slow burn instead, but I think it was well worth it! Cue the flamethrower.

  5. Daniel Tervoort

    From the get-go I couldn’t really tell if I was enjoying the movie or not. I enjoyed the period details, the characters, the little bits of trivia sprinkled (actually shovelled) throughout… but I couldn’t imagine what anyone not as well-versed in Hollywood or Manson lore as I (and Tarantino I’d imagine) would think. For my part the whole film was permeated with a sense of dread, wondering how Rick and Cliff’s lives were going to intersect with the Tate tragedy. When Rick had his little epiphany after his acting scene with the little girl I actually teared up. After that my stomach was knotted with incredible nervous tension during the Spahn Ranch scene. Would that have worked as well if I didn’t know the actual history? Probably not. Then as the movie got towards the climax I was all tensed up again, worrying how Tarantino was going to portray the Tate murder scene. I didn’t want to see her it happen. What’s this? He’s showing the murderers in a comical light??? When events finally unfolded the way they did I was an emotional wreck… eyes watering, body shaking… it was both sadness (for the reality of the events) and relief (for the way the movie handled said events). I still choke up trying to tell my wife how I felt about it all. I may need a few days to get over it.

    • Taylor Holmes

      I didn’t talk about this in my review – but your comment brought this aspect of the Manson murders back to me. I wasn’t born when Manson and his gang operated, but I grew up not 20 / 30 minutes from Tate’s address. I met numerous people that lived up in those hills and talked about the fear of that era. And when Helter Skelter started playing on TV I learned everything I needed to in order to understand what everyone was so afraid about. I definitely get it.

      When QT killed Hitler, I understood. But when he hit the house next door, I wasn’t so sure I understood. I mean, because the house next door could have been friends of mine (eventually I guess! Haha) I had classmates that lived in Hacienda Heights, Beverly Hills, all through those “mountains”. (Being from colorado now, I actually know what a real mountain looks like! Hah.) So I am really not sure I do grasp what he did there? Is it cathartic en masse therapy? Or something? Hrmmm.

  6. DanT

    For me it was definitely cathartic… the Hitler thing in Inglorious Bastards was just a silly, fun moment (“What? They can’t do that! They just did that?”). I don’t think the fact that they killed Hitler when they did affected The Holocaust in any way. It was pure wish-fulfilling vengeance. But in this movie it came off as something more… revenge for, as well as the prevention of, “the moment that killed the Sixties”. I was born in 1961 and barely knew what was going on in that decade as things happened (I never read about Manson until about 1974) but that whole culture did seep into my cultural pores.

    I guess I have to say that I loved this movie though, as always, Tarantino manages to put in moments that really bug me… I mean, did he really have to portray Bruce Lee as such an a-hole?

  7. Lisa

    I enjoyed this movie enough but I didn’t totally love it. It wasn’t the subject matter as I’m used to Tarantino pushing the envelope but I felt like this film kept trying to say something that in the end it just didn’t say. Have you watched films by Lars Von Trier? Because I felt the same way about his film, The House That Jack Built. Like perhaps he was just trying too hard. But I’m aware I’m being harder on this film because it’s Tarantino so I kind of have to keep that in mind as well.


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