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		By: Lala		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jun 2023 19:06:55 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I LOVED this movie and your theories are amazing! My mind went to some different placees with this movie though. 

Tom&#039;s speech &quot;I&#039;ve kidnapped you until you fall in love with me&quot;, in my opinion, is the truth. I think this because the scene where Tom is standing over Ruby in the red light was a red flag for me. That wasn&#039;t the actions of a worried boyfriend. That was barely controlled restraint. In fact, to me, until he tells her the story of the attack and starts to act kinder (because she&#039;s finally playing along) he isn&#039;t acting concerned for her at all. A concerned bf, in my opinion, would act like Adam Sandler did in 50 First Dates, not brainwash her to think she can&#039;t walk. Not tell her she&#039;s a hostage and HAS to fall on love with him.

By giving her the book, tea,  certain foods, a song, knowing and telling her that they are triggers was another red flag. He said he learned it through research but that research could have been years prior, before this all happened.

Ruby&#039;s flashback about the door. Obviously inside this cell/room. Tom says &quot;One last thing Ms. Watts&quot; and we see the syringe. This threw me until I watched it again. In this scene, just like in the last, we see how for Tom is willing to go to secure this illusion he&#039;s trying to force on her that he is her savior.
 

The assault didn&#039;t make sense to me either (then again I live in the states and I&#039;m not familiar with UK laws) but you were right. In the states, that would have been self defense so she could have gotten proper help. Also, if Tom and Ruby were a couple, why would she be living with a male roommate while Tom was also in the city? Would they not live together if they were so much in love?

My theory is that Tom is 100% the bad guy here. That he was obsessed with her at university. That Ruby and her &quot;roommate&quot; were the actual couple. Tom drugged her outside her apartment, brought her in, raped her, the boyfriend came in and Tom killed him, took Ruby and lobotamized her. I mean come on! You mean to tell me he randomly found an abandoned, rundown house, on an island, condemned BUT with a pristine holding cell under a trap door and he&#039;s the good guy!? He planned it all from the beginning! Probably a psych/med student with a chemical imbalance and refusal to take his meds. lol]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I LOVED this movie and your theories are amazing! My mind went to some different placees with this movie though. </p>
<p>Tom&#8217;s speech &#8220;I&#8217;ve kidnapped you until you fall in love with me&#8221;, in my opinion, is the truth. I think this because the scene where Tom is standing over Ruby in the red light was a red flag for me. That wasn&#8217;t the actions of a worried boyfriend. That was barely controlled restraint. In fact, to me, until he tells her the story of the attack and starts to act kinder (because she&#8217;s finally playing along) he isn&#8217;t acting concerned for her at all. A concerned bf, in my opinion, would act like Adam Sandler did in 50 First Dates, not brainwash her to think she can&#8217;t walk. Not tell her she&#8217;s a hostage and HAS to fall on love with him.</p>
<p>By giving her the book, tea,  certain foods, a song, knowing and telling her that they are triggers was another red flag. He said he learned it through research but that research could have been years prior, before this all happened.</p>
<p>Ruby&#8217;s flashback about the door. Obviously inside this cell/room. Tom says &#8220;One last thing Ms. Watts&#8221; and we see the syringe. This threw me until I watched it again. In this scene, just like in the last, we see how for Tom is willing to go to secure this illusion he&#8217;s trying to force on her that he is her savior.</p>
<p>The assault didn&#8217;t make sense to me either (then again I live in the states and I&#8217;m not familiar with UK laws) but you were right. In the states, that would have been self defense so she could have gotten proper help. Also, if Tom and Ruby were a couple, why would she be living with a male roommate while Tom was also in the city? Would they not live together if they were so much in love?</p>
<p>My theory is that Tom is 100% the bad guy here. That he was obsessed with her at university. That Ruby and her &#8220;roommate&#8221; were the actual couple. Tom drugged her outside her apartment, brought her in, raped her, the boyfriend came in and Tom killed him, took Ruby and lobotamized her. I mean come on! You mean to tell me he randomly found an abandoned, rundown house, on an island, condemned BUT with a pristine holding cell under a trap door and he&#8217;s the good guy!? He planned it all from the beginning! Probably a psych/med student with a chemical imbalance and refusal to take his meds. lol</p>
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		By: Justin		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Aug 2022 13:05:02 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Taylor, how do i watch this? all the links above go to the stephen fry film... help]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Taylor, how do i watch this? all the links above go to the stephen fry film&#8230; help</p>
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		By: John		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Jul 2022 06:38:55 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Some thoughts:

1.  In the U.S., he wouldn&#039;t see much if *any* jail time for killing his GF&#039;s rapist, in the act.  Hard to believe it would be any different in the UK.  (Although I&#039;m guessing the U.S. is actually more lenient with justifiable homicides.  Given that they allow firearms and all.)

2.  Tom&#039;s not good because he ignores the above, but also ignores the fact that SHE NEEDS GOOD MEDICAL ATTENTION.  Like his flatmate tells him.  Not his own half-assed efforts.  Even if everything else he says is true.  He&#039;s at best being incredibly selfish here, and putting her health at risk in the process.  In addition to forcing extreme discomfort upon her, apparently for years.  So every if everything else is true, they were deeply in love, etc., he&#039;s still an ass.  

3.  I thought the last line was actually her saying &quot;I want to wake up!&quot;, which would&#039;ve made sense, but I trust what the other poster said.  Which is that this is a repeat of his rommmate asking &quot;Why won&#039;t you wake up&quot;, highlighting the fact that Tom is acting like a selfish madman, even if everything else he said was true.  

4.  I&#039;m inclined to believe the rape by the flatmate is real, because she could be recalling her own memories of the walk home, not just his.  And because drunk people sometimes have their ringers off, and miss calls.  But it&#039;s definitely odd that he would lay on top of his GF who has just been raped and hit, and try to kiss her.  Highly insensitive, and possibly an indication that he was the actual rapist in reality.  (The flatmate line about her &quot;not letting him in again&quot; is definitely a little odd.)

5.  Ultimately, the film could be a metaphor for how we have to let love go sometimes, because people change.  Tom refuses to &quot;wake up&quot; to this reality, and possibly commits murder as a result, and definitely commits an abduction and extended imprisonment as a result.  Whether or not her memory issues are organic, caused by an assault by someone else, or caused by Tom&#039;s pills is almost irrelevant.  Because the bottom line is that Tom is refusing to acknowledge that her mind/feelings have changed, and she has other needs now that are more important than his need to be loved by her.  Like her need to obtain proper medical care, and possibly a surgery that will actually fix her.  (And why would he be afraid of that?  This alone implies that maybe they weren&#039;t happily in love by the night of the incident.) 

Anyway, I guess that&#039;s my take on the meaning of the film.  You need to let people/love move on sometimes, for whatever reason, and you can&#039;t try to tie people down, literally or figuratively, simply because you love them.  Because that alone doesn&#039;t justify anything.

P.S.:  I don&#039;t believe she was just playing along near the end when they have sex.  If she was, she would probably attack him while they were having sex, or immediately afterwards.  She wouldn&#039;t have waited to fall asleep peacefully in his arms, and then only tried to kill him the next morning.  Whether she forgot everything by sleeping too long, or had other memories triggered by the alarm, her mindset appeared to drastically change between the night before and the morning after.  

And I don&#039;t know if the final scene was actually the final scene chronologically or not, because he definitely seemed done for after the glass attack, and I&quot;m not sure how he could&#039;ve survived that blood loss, especially unconscious.  He was definitely injured in the final scene, but was apparently limping, which doesn&#039;t line up with the glass attack, but might&#039;ve occurred during another escape attempt.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some thoughts:</p>
<p>1.  In the U.S., he wouldn&#8217;t see much if *any* jail time for killing his GF&#8217;s rapist, in the act.  Hard to believe it would be any different in the UK.  (Although I&#8217;m guessing the U.S. is actually more lenient with justifiable homicides.  Given that they allow firearms and all.)</p>
<p>2.  Tom&#8217;s not good because he ignores the above, but also ignores the fact that SHE NEEDS GOOD MEDICAL ATTENTION.  Like his flatmate tells him.  Not his own half-assed efforts.  Even if everything else he says is true.  He&#8217;s at best being incredibly selfish here, and putting her health at risk in the process.  In addition to forcing extreme discomfort upon her, apparently for years.  So every if everything else is true, they were deeply in love, etc., he&#8217;s still an ass.  </p>
<p>3.  I thought the last line was actually her saying &#8220;I want to wake up!&#8221;, which would&#8217;ve made sense, but I trust what the other poster said.  Which is that this is a repeat of his rommmate asking &#8220;Why won&#8217;t you wake up&#8221;, highlighting the fact that Tom is acting like a selfish madman, even if everything else he said was true.  </p>
<p>4.  I&#8217;m inclined to believe the rape by the flatmate is real, because she could be recalling her own memories of the walk home, not just his.  And because drunk people sometimes have their ringers off, and miss calls.  But it&#8217;s definitely odd that he would lay on top of his GF who has just been raped and hit, and try to kiss her.  Highly insensitive, and possibly an indication that he was the actual rapist in reality.  (The flatmate line about her &#8220;not letting him in again&#8221; is definitely a little odd.)</p>
<p>5.  Ultimately, the film could be a metaphor for how we have to let love go sometimes, because people change.  Tom refuses to &#8220;wake up&#8221; to this reality, and possibly commits murder as a result, and definitely commits an abduction and extended imprisonment as a result.  Whether or not her memory issues are organic, caused by an assault by someone else, or caused by Tom&#8217;s pills is almost irrelevant.  Because the bottom line is that Tom is refusing to acknowledge that her mind/feelings have changed, and she has other needs now that are more important than his need to be loved by her.  Like her need to obtain proper medical care, and possibly a surgery that will actually fix her.  (And why would he be afraid of that?  This alone implies that maybe they weren&#8217;t happily in love by the night of the incident.) </p>
<p>Anyway, I guess that&#8217;s my take on the meaning of the film.  You need to let people/love move on sometimes, for whatever reason, and you can&#8217;t try to tie people down, literally or figuratively, simply because you love them.  Because that alone doesn&#8217;t justify anything.</p>
<p>P.S.:  I don&#8217;t believe she was just playing along near the end when they have sex.  If she was, she would probably attack him while they were having sex, or immediately afterwards.  She wouldn&#8217;t have waited to fall asleep peacefully in his arms, and then only tried to kill him the next morning.  Whether she forgot everything by sleeping too long, or had other memories triggered by the alarm, her mindset appeared to drastically change between the night before and the morning after.  </p>
<p>And I don&#8217;t know if the final scene was actually the final scene chronologically or not, because he definitely seemed done for after the glass attack, and I&#8221;m not sure how he could&#8217;ve survived that blood loss, especially unconscious.  He was definitely injured in the final scene, but was apparently limping, which doesn&#8217;t line up with the glass attack, but might&#8217;ve occurred during another escape attempt.</p>
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		By: Taylor		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Jun 2022 06:56:14 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Ok - Here&#039;s what I ask - 1) Where is proof that these 2 have known each other? 2) Even though it is in the shadows, we never actually &quot;see&quot; the guy who raped her while Tom is beating him up and then kills him. His body just falls to the floor? 3) Who was the guy &quot;helping&quot; them escape and what EXACTLY did he think was going on? 4) Why doesn&#039;t ANYONE actually go over to Tom and Ruby on the ferry to see what&#039;s going on with this chick? Doesn&#039;t anyone seem concerned, suspicious or just plain nosy about this girl who is a &quot;walking coma?&quot; 5) If Ruby couldn&#039;t walk, how the hell did Tom get her to that farm house without raising eyebrows? 6) Tom KNEW there was a secret panel on the floor that led down to that dreary basement - how does he know about this location? 7) Why did Tom tell his &quot;friend&quot; to &quot;call&quot; if he needed anything (who?) but not to look for them? 8) How was Tom getting all the supplies like food,  a mattress, books? 9) When did he have time to &quot;rig&quot; up that room with the lights and sounds? 10) Why isn&#039;t ANY ONE looking for either of them? 11) What about the murdered guy? 12) Ruby doesn&#039;t seem comfortable with Tom on top of her in a flashback 13) How the hell did Tom survive his neck being cut? I love these kinds of movies but they also drive me nuts. Simply put) Tom comes from money but isn&#039;t a hit with the girls. He loves Ruby but does she love him in a romantic way? Finally, what the hell is up with Ruby? I think instead oh hitting her supposed &quot;rapist&quot; Tom was slapping her on the bed because she rejected him. How long has this been going on - the match sticks? Maybe Tom rescues her from drowning at the very beginning and decides to just keep her as his pet? How is it that Ruby can&#039;t piece together her past life but has the smarts to write using a mirror and make Tom believe she loves him. What was with his nose???? Always blowing it? What about the ball? Why was Ruby wearing the same red dress from the photo? When Tom places her down in the basement, look at what she is wearing. Hygiene??? She was wearing the exact same top and shorts throughout and not a speck of dirt on them and she looked very well for a &quot;prisoner.&quot; Maybe it&#039;s all a dream and that&#039;s why he&#039;s telling her to wake up after all the credits are done? This movie is like Nocturnal Animals. Where does it begin and where does it end? Hi]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok &#8211; Here&#8217;s what I ask &#8211; 1) Where is proof that these 2 have known each other? 2) Even though it is in the shadows, we never actually &#8220;see&#8221; the guy who raped her while Tom is beating him up and then kills him. His body just falls to the floor? 3) Who was the guy &#8220;helping&#8221; them escape and what EXACTLY did he think was going on? 4) Why doesn&#8217;t ANYONE actually go over to Tom and Ruby on the ferry to see what&#8217;s going on with this chick? Doesn&#8217;t anyone seem concerned, suspicious or just plain nosy about this girl who is a &#8220;walking coma?&#8221; 5) If Ruby couldn&#8217;t walk, how the hell did Tom get her to that farm house without raising eyebrows? 6) Tom KNEW there was a secret panel on the floor that led down to that dreary basement &#8211; how does he know about this location? 7) Why did Tom tell his &#8220;friend&#8221; to &#8220;call&#8221; if he needed anything (who?) but not to look for them? 8) How was Tom getting all the supplies like food,  a mattress, books? 9) When did he have time to &#8220;rig&#8221; up that room with the lights and sounds? 10) Why isn&#8217;t ANY ONE looking for either of them? 11) What about the murdered guy? 12) Ruby doesn&#8217;t seem comfortable with Tom on top of her in a flashback 13) How the hell did Tom survive his neck being cut? I love these kinds of movies but they also drive me nuts. Simply put) Tom comes from money but isn&#8217;t a hit with the girls. He loves Ruby but does she love him in a romantic way? Finally, what the hell is up with Ruby? I think instead oh hitting her supposed &#8220;rapist&#8221; Tom was slapping her on the bed because she rejected him. How long has this been going on &#8211; the match sticks? Maybe Tom rescues her from drowning at the very beginning and decides to just keep her as his pet? How is it that Ruby can&#8217;t piece together her past life but has the smarts to write using a mirror and make Tom believe she loves him. What was with his nose???? Always blowing it? What about the ball? Why was Ruby wearing the same red dress from the photo? When Tom places her down in the basement, look at what she is wearing. Hygiene??? She was wearing the exact same top and shorts throughout and not a speck of dirt on them and she looked very well for a &#8220;prisoner.&#8221; Maybe it&#8217;s all a dream and that&#8217;s why he&#8217;s telling her to wake up after all the credits are done? This movie is like Nocturnal Animals. Where does it begin and where does it end? Hi</p>
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		By: Lisa		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jan 2021 13:24:04 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I would love to see that. Thanks, Becca!]]></description>
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		By: Becca		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Becca]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jan 2021 23:42:24 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Hi! love ur review, the director recently made a tik tok (@edpalmerfilm) and mentioned that the scenes arent in chronological order, his account might be worth checking out if you wanted any insight from him (mostly in the comment section). Also, id have to say Tom sucks and is definetly a bad guy, even if everything hes told her is true and he has no ill intent, keeping a person prisoner is objectively wrong. I think that had tom not killed her attacker he wouldve brought her to the hospital to get proper treatment, the only reason he didnt(imo) is because he feared the legal repercussion. Tom ultimately decided his freedom was more valuable than hers (option a: go to hospital, get arrested, go to prison. option b: keep Ruby prisoner)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi! love ur review, the director recently made a tik tok (@edpalmerfilm) and mentioned that the scenes arent in chronological order, his account might be worth checking out if you wanted any insight from him (mostly in the comment section). Also, id have to say Tom sucks and is definetly a bad guy, even if everything hes told her is true and he has no ill intent, keeping a person prisoner is objectively wrong. I think that had tom not killed her attacker he wouldve brought her to the hospital to get proper treatment, the only reason he didnt(imo) is because he feared the legal repercussion. Tom ultimately decided his freedom was more valuable than hers (option a: go to hospital, get arrested, go to prison. option b: keep Ruby prisoner)</p>
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		By: Taylor Holmes		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jan 2021 04:49:25 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://taylorholmes.com/2020/08/12/the-hippopotamus-closed-box-ending-explained/#comment-1102697&quot;&gt;Will&lt;/a&gt;.

Maybe? Hadn&#039;t thought of that. What a cool idea. I just assumed she had passed out. Super cool thought.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://taylorholmes.com/2020/08/12/the-hippopotamus-closed-box-ending-explained/#comment-1102697">Will</a>.</p>
<p>Maybe? Hadn&#8217;t thought of that. What a cool idea. I just assumed she had passed out. Super cool thought.</p>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Will]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Jan 2021 16:23:23 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Also she passed out when she hit the water because Tom had “programmed” her to do so as a way of assuring she couldn’t leave... rifgt?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also she passed out when she hit the water because Tom had “programmed” her to do so as a way of assuring she couldn’t leave&#8230; rifgt?</p>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Jan 2021 05:53:16 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I agree with the other commenters here who point to the line Tom’s driver friend said in one of the flashbacks: “if she won’t let you in again, I’ll still spoon you.” This line is absolutely key. If they were so happy, why would she keep him outside like a dog — more than once? Also, when he was “late” (probably stalking her) and calling, why would she not answer? The date scene in the restaurant is also telling. The sense of humor she displays is sort of manic and pretty out of character for her given what see of her in the rest of the film — a bit crass, extreme, and actually almost a cliched recreation of a popular romantic film (When Harry Met Sally).

It appears that Tom is taking events that have some historical truth to them and at the same time using the power of suggestion to bend them to his preferred narrative. It would explain why things hold together in his voiceover — but only *just* hold together. I agree with others that say they did probably share some sort of relationship but it wasn’t to his liking, so he abdicated her and set to work perverting her memory through the use of drugs which would put her into a more suggestible state. He was likely the rapist in question as well.

(Also here from tiktok! ;)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with the other commenters here who point to the line Tom’s driver friend said in one of the flashbacks: “if she won’t let you in again, I’ll still spoon you.” This line is absolutely key. If they were so happy, why would she keep him outside like a dog — more than once? Also, when he was “late” (probably stalking her) and calling, why would she not answer? The date scene in the restaurant is also telling. The sense of humor she displays is sort of manic and pretty out of character for her given what see of her in the rest of the film — a bit crass, extreme, and actually almost a cliched recreation of a popular romantic film (When Harry Met Sally).</p>
<p>It appears that Tom is taking events that have some historical truth to them and at the same time using the power of suggestion to bend them to his preferred narrative. It would explain why things hold together in his voiceover — but only *just* hold together. I agree with others that say they did probably share some sort of relationship but it wasn’t to his liking, so he abdicated her and set to work perverting her memory through the use of drugs which would put her into a more suggestible state. He was likely the rapist in question as well.</p>
<p>(Also here from tiktok! ;)</p>
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