Ok Luke, let’s talk about this idea rationally. Let’s go with a thought experiment. And I’ll skew the entirety of the hypothetical in your direction. This is a husband and a wife. Legally married. Bound by law. Now. Let’s make the wife drunk. Better yet, let’s put her in lingerie, on the husband’s birthday. And let’s also say that this wife always gives a special bed-time performance for his birthday every single year. Ok? They are kissing, and undressing… just accelerating into this thing faster than you can even imagine.

But at the last second… this wife says, “actually no. Nope, nope nope nope.” The husband though continues on with it and has sex with his wife, and all the while she is saying, stop? Is this ok? ABSOLUTELY NOT. Logic just screams that this isn’t ok.

Now as to your objection that the standard should be the same, it is! Now let’s flip that example. It’s still the same setup. But the guy says no. He’s too drunk though to fend her off. And she continues on with it anyway. Is this okay? ABSOLUTELY NOT. Will he go to the cops and press charges? No. Why? Because it’d be humiliating to his ego to say to the police that he was just “raped” by his WIFE. But could he? YES. Because that is literally what she just did.

Luke, it’s your attitude about women that has normalized sexual aggression against women as a norm… and it has to stop. You are literally the idea this movie is pointing at. You said we should have a coherent and logical discussion… I’m all for that. But can you handle stopping, and thinking that maybe, just maybe, your idea of what sexual assault looks like was formed in the norms of 1952?

I am the author of this piece, and yes, this idea is arcane and highly misogynistic. Definitely. But that’s obvious. The bigger take away of your comment is that it is horrifyingly normal to think the way you do. You are, without a doubt, in the majority of how men think on this issue. Does it mean that it is right? ABSOLUTELY NOT. And we, as a society, need to grow up – to learn that our ideas about women are horrifyingly abusive towards women. If a woman is kissing you and hugging you… and she let’s you know she is tapped out? You have to stop. I don’t care how you two got to this moment. Whether you are married or not. And you know what? It’s probably wise to, as a general rule, err on the side of caution. She’s drunk, seems maybe to be into it? But, now something has turned? really? This is who you want to be? That guy? Really? And now you are going to ride the statistics I quoted in the piece that say that almost zero of these horrible encounters aren’t reported as your idea for safety? Really? This is the guy you want to be? Just hoping for a little action regardless of the repercussions in her life, in yours?

I would say to that – aim higher. Live a better life than this. Hell, if you can’t get a woman to have sex with you this side of being drunk? You really need to consider what kind of human being you really are. I’m not specifically talking to you right now Luke, but rather this idea that many men have. So please don’t take it personally. Just giving you my LOGICAL response to this idea.

I’m sure someone, perhaps the author of this piece, will accuse me of misogyny, but it isn’t. It is just basic morality. It is about treating people fairly.

Also (because I know how comments usually go on the internet) I’ll save you all some trouble and say that all of the women I’ve had sex with were sober at the time.

Think about the issue rather than reacting with emotion.

I agree. Especially since she dies in the end. If you had crossed this with Hard Candy you’d have the perfect female revenge movie I think. Which is funny, because no one has seen Hard Candy.

I thought it interesting how she worked very hard to dance a two step around the immorality of what she was doing. Make the dean think she ruined her daughter… but didn’t. Make her friend think she was pillaged by some guy she paid… but didn’t. And yet, if it weren’t for that blood on her hand while eating that hotdog, she might have avoided the outright immorality of the situation… and maybe been justified in surviving the ending. Dunno. But I liked the timed messages twist. But maybe that’s just me.