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Super Dark Times is a movie about the intensity and pervasiveness of guilt. About how we all deal with its tentacles and the after effects. Oh, and it's also a rip roaring good time. IMDB
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I loved this movie so much that I went WAY out of my way to stalk Luke Piotrowski – one of the two writers of this brilliant film – into answering some of my most desperate questions I had about the ending of this movie. Because, I, like you, HAVE TO KNOW! But we’ll get to that conversation in due time…

But first things first, Super Dark Times first hit my radar when it made a list of interesting independent films coming out this year. Super Dark was debuted at the Rotterdam Film Festival back in January, and has sort of been lighting up the film festival circuit ever since: Tribeca, New Zealand International Film Festival, Neuchatel, MotelX, Fantastic Fest, etc. The creators of Super Dark Times previously worked together to create the eleven minute short, Too Cool for School which made it fairly big at Cannes in 2015.

The film hits a pitch perfect 1995, replete with Clinton (Bill that is) sound bites, Walkman sensibilities, and an internet-less backdrop. It will remind you of The OA, Super 8, Stranger Things, and Stand by Me. But the back end, finishing flavors of Donnie Darko are what got me really interested in this particular film.

For those of you who haven’t yet seen the film, we are introduced to Zach Taylor (Owen Campbell) who introduces us to my childhood growing up in the 90’s. He’s a geek’s geek high-schooler that spends almost all of his time with the bulbous bouffanted neighbor Josh (Charlie Tahan). Things take a turn one day when a four-some of kids have an accident of epic proportions that rocket fuels the rest of this ride. When Allison – Josh’s crush – arrives and complicates matters even further, we watch as all four kids suffer from enormous psychological strain.

Come on. Based on my track record alone you should watch it. Never mind the fact that that trailer right there is fantastic. Regardless, I’m commencing Super Dark Times deep-dive in 3-2-1… if you’d like to join in on the discussion, go watch, then come back! I think it just recently was released on Amazon and a pile of other services.

Super Dark Times Quick Deep Dive

You watched the movie, right?!? And so you know basically what happened. But I figure, so we are all on the same page, I should do a quick overview of what happened just so that we are on the same page. Or, as much on the same page as we can possibly be for a movie with so many delusional segments as Super Dark Times.

The movie kicks off with one of the most obvious bits of foreshadowing the world has ever seen. The camera follows the blood tracks of something. We aren’t sure what at first. But then we realize its a buck that is bleeding and all but dead in the local high school cafeteria. And the scene ends with a cop put the deer out of its misery by breaking its neck.

After that we meet Josh and Zach, our two main characters of this movie. Two best friends, that are geek’s geeks. Basically they are me. I was them back in the nineties. From the avoiding the druggies and the cool guys of school, all the way down to the bedroom video game fixtures. Soon Charlie and Daryl join them and our duo is rounded out to a quartet of geeks. Is that a flock? Peacocks are an ostentation. These guys probably could double as an ostentation of geeks. They are pretty great debating the Silver Surfer as the loneliest of comic book heroes.

But soon they are out in the park/forest messing around. Josh has a samurai sword that he is messing around with. And soon it is discovered that Daryl has stolen some of Josh’s brother’s weed, and a few ugly missteps later and Daryl has the sword sticking through his neck. After Daryl dies Zach makes the extraordinarily bad decision to cover the body… in leaves, ditch Daryl’s bike, and then go on like nothing happened.

Super Dark Times Allison Et Al.

As the story opens up a bit we meet Allison and some of the druggie members of the school. But all of our introductions are tainted by the fact that these three guys have just killed a fellow student, accident or not. So Zach’s relationship with Allison, whom he obviously really likes, isn’t going the greatest because “things just aren’t going too well.” Not to mention the fact that we are regularly getting visions that can’t be reality… maybe they are dreams? Or possibly they could have happened recently in the past? And one of the biggest tells is that Zach’s cast is regularly missing. Regardless.

Take for example Zach’s vision about going to see Daryl in the woods. But instead of seeing Daryl he sees Allison, and they end up making out in the leaves. Huh. Guilt and Sex drive are one and the same? Aggression and procreation?! I got nothing.

Friendship as a Foil for the Plot?

As the story spirals further and further southward Zach and Josh appeal to their friendship to sort things out. But the big glitch here? They both like Allison, a lot. Which, reminds me of Primer… like a lot. Back in the day I actually made the case that Primer wasn’t a time travel movie, but rather a movie about friendship, and what would happen to a good friendship if the friends were given unlimited power. Similar things are happening here in the land of Super Dark Times. Josh, has found the super power of the ability to murder at will, and yet here we stand, with Josh and Zach standing outside a party arguing about a girl.

And sure enough, soon we find out that John Whitcomb – the blue haired druggie – is dead. He’d taken a header off the bridge. And coincidentally, Josh had been planning to hook him up with drugs recently as well. And we know that Josh hated John. This was obvious from their earlier run in. So Zach actually puts two and two together during a call (after he got Charlie’s sister’s number from Allison) with Charlie. Zach basically sketches out the following flow of events: Josh goes to Daryl’s body, gets the sword, hacks fingers off, then gives John weed on the bridge, and tosses him overboard… and now he’s on the street looking for someone else to mess with.

Please Assume Crash Positions Now…

Because we are in for a bumpy landing. So with Zach realizing that Josh is bruising for a fight he begins looking for Allison. So he heads to Allison’s house. But she’s not there. Obviously, she’s at Megan’s house. So he hauls it to Megan’s and sneaks inside. And sure enough, Megan is dead, and Allison is tied up in the corner. And Zack goes out and up through the window – frees Allison – and then fights with Josh in a truly bloody duel to the death at the end. And when Zach is being treated for his cuts and stab wounds we see Zach looking over at Josh in the back of the police car.

Cut to credits.

NO! There is one more scene that we see before the credits. And that is Allison sitting in class. We see Allison listening, playing with her hair, letting her hair down. We cut back and forth between her and the person behind her. Back, forth, back, forth. Who is that person? He/she? She looked like a woman to me? And enough of a lookalike to Zach that I had to pause it to validate that it wasn’t him. So it’s not Zach. And we are seeing yet another slow-mo back and forth like we have seen throughout the movie between Zach and Allison. WHAT IS GOING ON?!?!?

And knowing that I would have to write SOMETHING about that scene for you guys, I decided to go to the source itself. So I contacted Luke Piotrowski – one of the two writers of the Super Dark Story screenplay – on Twitter and thought I should just share my one question for him:

I make no promises but ask away!

— Luke Piotrowski (@luke_piotrowski) October 9, 2017

The kid behind her, to me, plays into that notion. We all see others as supporting roles in OUR story… but we never really know theirs.

— Luke Piotrowski (@luke_piotrowski) October 9, 2017

She got caught up in another person’s fucked up story but survived & is back in her own.

— Luke Piotrowski (@luke_piotrowski) October 9, 2017

Open to interpretation but MINE is that, yes she’s moving on. The scars are there, sometimes in sight, sometimes hidden but not defining her

— Luke Piotrowski (@luke_piotrowski) October 9, 2017

Right? So from Luke’s perspective (a very un authoritative source) the last shot of the movie was all about Allison jettisoning out of this downward spiral, surviving, and reestablishing herself in the world in her own right. That she is moving on. That the scars of her encounter maybe physical and emotional… and are still there, but that they aren’t defining her.

Final Thoughts on this Super Dark Story Movie Explained

Me? Not that I would ever, ever disagree with an author of a movie (cough) but, I told Luke my take. And that is that this shot, this woman that is behind her? She is the beginning of a Super Dark Times sequel. His response? He laughed and liked my tweet. Which, means I am absolutely, 100% right! hahahah.

I personally give this movie über high marks on many of the elements of this movie leading up to the ending. The balancing act and the push and pull in Zach’s mind about the craziness going on all around him. The psychological trauma and the dreams – which reminds me of It Comes At Night, and a million other movies, like Donnie Darko. But it doubled back on itself and instead of staying psychological it went full-on revenge gore flick. Which, I personally enjoyed. A lot of reviewers have deducted significantly for this double back gainer. But I actually get it. I dig what it was trying to do here. I just happen to disagree with Luke and think that they are setting us up for a sequel! hahah.

But ultimately? I think this movie is all about guilt. It’s about the effects of guilt. And the ubiquitousness, the tentacles (“Testacles? TENTacles, TENTacles” – be the first to name that movie in the comments and I’ll fly to where you are and give you a high five. (Time jump: Congratulations John Hazard, I hope the high five was as good for you as it was for me!) of guilt in our lives. Luke could have written in all of the violence as visions and flash backs/flash forwards that didn’t ever happen and it would have been just as powerful. (Some would argue more powerful) But I think we all deal with guilt. This overwhelming feeling of being trapped and hunted by this darkness. Which, seems a pretty accurate description of Josh… the personal manifestation of guilt on the warpath. But maybe that’s just me?

I don’t know, what did you guys think of the movie? I personally adored it. There are not enough movies out like this today.

Edited by: CY

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49 Responses

  1. Kate

    Are we to think that Zach was still in the hospital? Or was he found to be an accessory? What do you think? Just watched this based on your recommendation!

    • Taylor Holmes

      Hey Kate,
      What did you think of it overall? Am I losing my edge!?! Haha.

      Are you wondering if Zach gets in trouble for Daryl’s murder after it is all said and done? Are you saying that the kids would have all stuck with their stories and would try to posit that they only got involved after Daryl’s death when they began suspecting something was up? And if that is the case then zach’ most natural alibi would be the hospital since they probably don’t have a really tight time of death.

      Regardless, even if they did come clean (and I think the whole point of this movie is to show what happens when we live under guilt, constantly running from the truth) it would be abundant;y clear the zach was insane. The boys could easily spin it without much effort to say that he must have done it intentionally and told us it was an accident. But you and I both know it was zach’ idea to cover it up. Until Josh went off the deep end zach was incredibly at fault for the ongoing chaos. But that’s just me.

      What do you think?

      • Nick

        Josh killed the other punk kid I can’t remember the name probably because he thought he could get away with it as he did with Darly. I still dont get why he’d kill the girls so blatantly like that though. There was no way he could get away with such a blatant murder. Might have been jealousy mixed with God knows what. About the ending, there really isn’t much to it imo. I don’t think there is any hidden meaning. It was pretty obvious. I think it was pretty lame actually. Sucks we didn’t see what happened to Zach.

  2. john hazard

    ‘Better Off Dead’.. Now where’s my high five? BTW, I loved the movie. I had to go look for the explanation of the ending and found you. Thank you.

    • Taylor Holmes

      Email me your address and I’ll be on my way! Glad it worked for you amigo. We discuss a ton of crazy/fun/complicated movies out here. Don’t be a stranger! Oh yeah, and I’ll see you in a half an hour for your high five. hahaha.

  3. Jesse

    I’m still confused on what made Josh snap? Even though i think that’s one of the beauties of this movie, showing that sometimes you never know whats going on in a mass murderers head or in the making of one. Do you think Josh may have been a little jealous of Zach, or maybe even of the new people in Zachs life? Zach was getting the girl, his mom was very attentive of him, Daryl became part of the group and he disliked him even before then. It also seems like maybe Josh’s older brother may have died serving in the marines. I thought this because he’s very protective of his brother being mentioned and he told Zachs mom that his mother gets depressed when he is not home early, which is what happens when a child passes away; the mother or father usually get very protective and worried of their living child/ren. And also it seems like Josh barely gets any attention from his parents never being around and always working. Maybe all this neglect and seeing his best friend Zach starting to have new friends and a love interest (that he liked as well) made him snap and caused him to kill willingly. Also everyone that he killed were buying, given, or stealing(Daryl) weed from him. It was like a symbol for who dies next. Sorry for the long winded comment, those are just all my questions. haha

    • taylor

      Hey there Jesse,
      Good question. And we really can’t know without asking the director or maybe? Or Luke? I can ask Luke I guess? Just asked him actually. hahaha. Who knows.

      My take? Killing Daryl was a mistake. But we watch how it effected Zach right? And he didn’t even do it. To kill a friend and then cover it up? Has to be incredibly traumatic. That coupled with his shattered family et al. Maybe? But it is a logical leap that the screenwriters take and they don’t give us a lot to go on that is concrete. Which, in my humble opinion, makes the movie better as a result. ‘Well, poor Zachery was sexually assaulted by his uncle and his parents tied him to the radiator…’ gets exceedingly old in my opinion.

      But you are right to wonder about that jump. We aren’t given a ton to go on. Luke? Oh Luke?

  4. Steph

    Hi Taylor

    Just watched the movie and need to get to bed, but not before the end of this movie was explained. You are the reason why I wont be very late and half asleep at work tomorrow, so thank you for the explanation and your take on the movie.
    I felt like I was cheated by not seeing Zach at the end, there was no pay-off for him for being the hero; no walking into the sunset with the girl he valiantly rescued. But then again, maybe that’s his pay-off, being free of the guilt rather than getting Allison, which is more important to him (something he made clear throughout the entire film) What do you think?

    Anyways, I might have weird dreams tonight, lets hope its nothing as bad as the ones old Zach did…

    • taylor

      Glad my verbal processing helped someone other than my self out! hahah.

      You wanted to see Zach after you saw him in the ambulance or whatever, looking over at Josh in the police car? Yeah, I did wonder how much trouble he was going to be in for making the decision to hide Daryl (in leaves no less… hahahah.) instead of going to the cops. A flash forward like we had for Allison? I honestly thought the person behind Allison HAD to be Zach. HAD TO BE. I was so certain of it I did 4 double takes before I realized that wasn’t even a guy, let alone Zach. hahah.

      Thanks for shouting out.

      • Michael D Keith

        OK, first off. you keep saying it was Zachs decision to cover up the body. I don’t know where you’re getting that, cause it was the other younger kid that came up with the plan to cover it up.
        The ending had nothing to do with a sequel. Thats ridiculous. It was obvious that the person sitting behind Allison was just there looking at her scars, where we see her cover them up. Why anyone would think that was someone important is besides me.

  5. Emily

    Hi!! Just finished the movie and loved it— your explanation was thought provoking and spot on! But I am left wondering about the opening scene, who did that? What’s the purpose? Please help!

    • Taylor Holmes

      You mean the deer? Don’t understand what you mean when you say, who did that…

      The scene is meant as foreshadowing of what was to come. The deer accidentally hurt itself going through the window of the school. And the community followed the blood and the tragedy to where the dear lay, and then put it out of its misery. But it was just an homage to the accident and the tragedy to come in the story ahead.


  6. Nashville

    In the end when Allison is in the shower the scene starts with showing her hands, starting with the right… when I first saw this I thought okay this must be after some time because Zach’s hand has healed, but it turned out to be Allison. Perhaps they started the scene in that way to let us know that Zach did heal.

    • Xtian

      I thought the same thing, Zach and Allison in shower together touching hands. But then we just see Allison. And you might be right, maybe they did this on purpose to also show he healed without actually showing him. We have no idea how much time has passed since everything, other than her scars are healed and she is back at normal life. It could very well be the following school year and Zach is still there but just not in the same class as Allison. Or perhaps his mother moved them away? Either way, Allison has healed and moved on and is doing well in school.

  7. Philippe

    it is indeed Zach that suggests to bury the body, not the other kid.

    Alison is the first (she sees the deer getting mercy-killed) and last main character to be shown in the movie. The shower scene, i believe means she washes herself of the crap she just went through (starting with the deer) and walks on with her life (although with some scars left…)

    Josh’s pathological jealousy is plain from the beginning.

    Who the hell is the little girl calmly watching Zach getting butchered on the ground ?

    Is it me or Josh’s drinking a large glass of milk before going wild is a tribute to A Clockwork Orange’s milk bar ?

    What I find important about the person behind Alison in the end scene is that it’s not Josh (contrary to the scene shown somewhere through Josh and Alison’s first phone conversation). Where has he gone ? was he ever there ?

    Why is Alison always playing with her hair or looking back to see Josh ?

    Anyway, really enjoyed the movie,

    • Taylor Holmes

      Hahaha! The Milk comment! Totally totally was an homage to Clockwork. I was wondering why that stood out to me so much. Brilliant. Thanks for pointing that out.

    • James

      Hey Philippe, you asked what the deal was with the little girl watching Zach and Josh battle. I believe it was just another circle of life concept just like Allison seeing the deer in the beginning of the movie. Showing us how quickly our lives can change from one event. Maybe the little girl is the start of Super Dark Times 2! Hahah

  8. rawr

    This is most likely just me but I thought of the ending (before Allison) in a positive way. Maybe Josh still cared for his best friend to the extent that he would do something so outrageous that everything can be pinned on him. I’d like to think he took one for the team. He would confess and maybe tell the cops that whatever Zach and the others say is false. Josh would tell them that he threatened them not to tell anyone or else they’ll be the next victim of his brother’s sword. I know it’s a longshot but damn! I just feel way too sorry for what happened to the boys after Daryl’s death. I mean, I think we can all agree that kid was a dick anyways. It was his own fault. Honestly, poor Josh, poor everyone except Daryl. lol

    • Taylor Holmes

      Wait, wait just a second there. You are telling me that you are sorry for everyone BUT the kid that got hari kari’d? Seriously? Isn’t that all kinds of upside down? Daryl’s probably the ONLY one that I feel sorry for in this movie. Not quite, but almost! Gah.

      • rawr

        No one meant to hurt him, let alone kill him. But the reason I felt sorry for everyone else except him is because his death was his own doing (to me at least).

        Daryl took the weed without permission. For goodness sake, all Josh wanted was for him to give it back. It was THAT simple. But no… he had to whine about it. I can’t remember much anymore but I think Daryl hit Josh first. Correct me if I’m wrong. But I do remember a scene where Daryl hit Josh again after a break (or what was supposed to be the end of their fight) and THAT’s where it all went downhill for ALL OF THEM.

        If it hadn’t been for Daryl’s stubbornness or stupidity, I’m pretty sure all of them would still be alive. But lol. Then we wouldn’t have a story. So thank God there had to be a Daryl in their case.

        Anyway, he’s like Cartman (south park). Not the best comparison but hear me out. He was fat and poor (I remember this being mentioned in the movie). And maybe he was made fun of a lot like Cartman who, we see from an episode, is the way he is because people were being a dick to him and he fought back by being the way he’s famous for which was kind of annoying like Daryl but a little more likable (because at least he was funny). And that’s probably why Daryl is the way he is. He can’t help being obnoxious because it’s probably his defense mechanism. lol. Weak argument, I know. But it does show that if he hadn’t acted like the way he did, he wouldn’t have died. And whenever characters with the likes of Cartman get hurt, people don’t feel sorry for them. At least I don’t.

        I’m actually surprised that you think Daryl’s the only one (almost) who deserves our empathy. Haven’t you ever experienced something bad happen to you all because one idiot made a mistake? Because that’s what happened. And that idiot was Daryl. Sure, maybe Josh was a buzzkill for not sharing the weed but that’s because it wasn’t his.

        Now that I’m typing this though, I think it’s interesting how I ended up rooting for the ones who accidentally killed someone despite Josh going wacko.

  9. Liz

    So glad I found this site! Great insights from everyone. I really want to know who that little girl was watching Zach and Josh fighting at the end as well? What did that mean?

    Here’s my thoughts on Josh, he has what I’ve termed “Second Fiddle Syndrome”. This occurs when you are the best friend of a person that has it better than you in various aspects of life. For example, you are the ugly friend people cozy up to so they can get to your much hotter best friend. Your friend has everyone fawning over them, both their family members, friends, and strangers. You, on the other hand are invisible and just a means to an end for other people to try and get in good with your friend. It happens for maybe a decade, jealously and resentment build even though your friend is truly a likeable and good person that you care about.

    Then, one day you accidentally kill someone in a freak accident and get away with it. Bam, you’re powerful and off to the races playing god with other peoples lives!

    That’s my take! And I’ve totally bookmarked this site to read up on more movies.

    • Taylor Holmes

      Hey there Liz,
      Welcome to the party. I’m totally digging on your Second Fiddle Syndrom and think you stepped up to your plate your first time here and hit it clear out of the park. So what happened here. Especially loved your hotter best friend analogy. I have NOT A CLUE what you are talking about personally… COUGH… but I think I can understand the point in theory! hahah.
      And that “get away with it” bit is something like a drug. I think the movie corrolates to the movie Chronicle perfectly. (If I said this in my post – I’m an idiot and should be ignored) But SERIOUSLY… Chronicle and Super Dark Times are like literally the same movie… minus the super powers. I loved that movie. Loved loved it. But I know for a fact I’m happily in the minority here. But whatever.

      By the way… Liz… you can’t just take. You have to also give. By reading a post, it means you now owe the community 1/3rd of a great movie recommendation, or 1 meh recommendation. We prefer you to just go ahead and read 2 more movie reviews and discussions here, and then submit your tariff of one GREAT movie recommendation. This site feeds on the souls of good movie recommendations and will shrivel up and die without them. We can’t let that happen… right?!? hehehe. (Can you tell I’m sitting in a hotel room bored out of my mind?!? Right. Me too.)

      Regardless, “welcome to the party pal!”
      (name the movie and I’ll let you keep this read for free and credit back to you that 1/3rd movie recommendation.)

  10. James

    I liked WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT KEVIN more. I found SUPER DARK left too many unanswered questions – I’m guessing it was intentionally made that way but didn’t have the desired effect for me.

  11. Cíntia

    I loved this movie, the ambience, the music. Reminded me of Darko, and I Am Not a Serial Killer as well. I think that the first killing has waken something that was asleep before in Josh. I think there might be a relation between Allison and the deer (what was it running away from?). Only Allison was saved. The kid sitting behind her may be an equivalent of what Allison was to the deer of the begining of the movie.

    • Chris Z

      I feel there is a possibility that the deer was Joshs first victim, just testing the waters, before moving on to a human victim. much like serial killers.

  12. Chris Z

    Towards the beginning of the film when they are in the gas station Charlie looks up at the ceiling and asks what they thought of the water stain. Josh replies that its been there forever. Later when Zach has one of his dreams where he sees Daryl dead in his house he asks Daryl how did he get here. Daryl simply looks up at the ceiling where there is a water stained hole with water spinning above them. also, there a lot of shots of objects spinning in motion. this altogether to me is one of the strongest similarities to Donnie Darko, which gives me the feeling that theres a hint at time travel. What are your thoughts?

  13. Monique

    The most confusing bits for me were: how did Josh already have Alison’s phone number, and, what’s the deal with the ending (with the random school kid behind Alison)?
    For my first question… Maybe Alison was peeved when Josh continually declined her come-ons, so eventually she lost patience and gave Josh her number (perhaps to make Zack jealous/distract herself from zack’s lack of affection).
    Secondly, I think there was that random school kid sitting behind Alison because Zack stopped coming to school.. either because of jail or homeschool (trauma?). The former is possible imo because Josh clearly lacked integrity (In the sword fighting scene with Zack, Josh just kept going for it ! ). Because of that, I reckon Josh dobbed Zack to the cops, maybe claimed he was a witness/guilty by association.
    On the other hand.. I suppose if by some miracle Josh decided to save zack from prison, he just left Zack out of the story when telling the cops, and Zack just got taken out of school cuz he was left traumatized… Maybe he’ll go back to school at some point if that’s the case…
    *For that bit at the end where Alison was looking romantically out of her locker, she was either looking at the new boy, OR (totally likely) she’s just such a sultry smouldering babe, that’s how she looks, naturally. Lol. (Not really a fan of Alison … Something’s not quite right about her. Even though she was hot for Zack I feel like she was sorta useless in terms of helping Zack , mentally, and physically at the end after Zack saved her life basically !)

  14. Dan

    Watched this late last night and loved it. I would love to hear anyones take on the seemingly random student who was sitting in class making the fake sex sounds at Zach while clicking her pen in and out? Relevance?

  15. Alli Evans

    I think the deer is more than just foreshadowing. The broken window at school from the deer parallels with the scene where Zach broke the window to get into Megan’s room. That clicked for me. At first I thought the deer represented Daryl… an innocent creature slowly dying, but Daryl wasn’t put out of his misery, he died a slow death. No one put Daryl out of his misery. The cops put the deer out of his misery. I think Zach is like the deer, for at the end, the cops eventually are the ones putting him out of his misery, because I’m pretty confident that Zach told them what was up, thus freeing his conscience. Maybe I am reaching a bit…

  16. Jennifer

    What the, okay I guess I’m the only one who saw Josh as someone with traits of ASPD. I feel like he planned and manipulated some of the people leading up to the scenes. The pretending to care about his brother’s possessions when clearly he didn’t too much about that all of a sudden. He brought their attention to the katana, lured them out into the field. He seemed like a very calculated character. Even his mom kind of let him do whatever. His behaviour contradicted in a matter of hours, lied to his intuitive friend trying to make him question himself though he was on to him. The crying at the scene of the crime was interesting. Was it real and over what
    or was it faked remorse for the situation? When he was stabbing the guy on the lawn, there was that same girl watching I thought as the one in the class at the end. Or was that a different kid, idk. That’s what I thought. Kind of watching the guy get stabbed by Josh with fascination rather than fear, then at the end that kid is sitting behind the girl who survived. Yeah idk. Though I’ll give it to Josh’s friend for being smarter than average. He was able to face the truth without lying to himself about who and what his so called friend might be. My guess is Josh was jealous of him and at the same time seemed disgusted by them all. Especially the girl’s friend which he killed. Why he spared the other one, not so sure since she was hardly wounded. Though he asked if she was dead I assumed he was referring to the one his friend liked but maybe he meant Megan. Not sure what the double slashes represented, was it him and his friend. Idk. 2 of something. Josh set up his friend for the ride.

  17. Luks

    I think it’s a great movie too! But the end really kept my mind spining around… I saw Allison as if, in a way, fucked with Josh and Zack’s mind and provoked this stuff and the portrayal of the boy who sat behind her is like he was going to be her next victim or some s*it like that…(also keep in mind that she was the only student who saw the policeman killing the agonizing moose and I don’t know why that scene would be so important)

    I don’t know what you guys think about that idea but that’s the feeling I got from the ending

  18. Nerms

    The ending pissed me off so much. So many unanswered questions.
    Alison really grinded my gears. Was she the reason of the deaths? Josh himself said he would do anything to sleep with Alison. He said he had the most erotic moment with her when she was holding the glue and she had a similar moment with Zach and the pen… she couldn’t control Zach he wouldn’t even kiss her. The boy at the end is her next victim.

  19. Kenjiro

    I think movie kinda sucked. There are alot of questions and so many unanwerd.
    Like for example: why would josh do these type of things. Whaddup with the kid in the end. How did it end up for Zach and Josh.
    I know it’s on purpose and all and it adds a little bit of
    mysteryto it. It also gives you more perspective to the story. But in my opinion, it is not the best wat to write a story. It’s like they just wrote a story
    randomly and it looked kinda cool by accident.
    I mean the movie self is great. I liked the acting. The shots were amazing. And the wholle atmosphere gave me chills. It’s just story that bothers me.

  20. Kenjiro

    I think movie was kinda lame. There are alot of questions and so many unanwerd.
    Like for example: why would josh do these type of things. Whaddup with the kid in the end. How did it end up for Zach and Josh.
    I know it’s on purpose and all and it adds a little bit of
    mysteryto it. It also gives you more perspective to the story. But in my opinion, it is not the best wat to write a story. It’s like they just wrote a story
    randomly and it looked kinda cool by accident.
    I mean the movie self is great. I liked the acting. The shots were amazing. And the wholle atmosphere gave me chills. It’s just story that bothers me.

  21. Kelly

    I, too, believe that Allison was the mastermind manipulator behind everything. I see Josh as sick. Mommy wants cuddles with her teenage boy? Ew. He falls into paranoid schizophrenia and we are seeing things from that hallucination viewpoint. Zach is in the police car at the end to protect him from Josh while he gives his account of what actually happened. The final scene is of Allison courting her next victim. I’ve only watched it once and that was my take on it.

  22. Ju

    I believe the pen scene was due to them being in a sex ed class. Also, I believe the girls were sexually assaulted. Neither female had pants on after Josh came in the window. Also, he layed his jacket over the lower half of her body. And Zach continued to speak about Alison in a sexual manner.

    I believe the shower scene was her washing that pain away and moving on. In the last scene she played with her hair as she always did, until she realized the scars were visible. And Josh absence is showing that Alison had moved on.

  23. Shelby

    I like Chris Z’s theory about the moose being Josh’s first victim. Definitely serial killer behavior

  24. Jordin

    I loved the movie, especially the first scene! Although it’s a moose, just FYI 🙂 Also not sure what that guy up there was saying, it was definitely Zach’s idea to cover everything up. He was already burying the body with leaves when the younger boy walked up.

  25. Julie Hartell

    Hi there,

    A great comprehensive summary. I googled the ‘ending explained’ after watching this film and not being sure about it. I LOVED THIS FILM AND YOUR IDEAS!!:) I think there’s something that’s not been mentioned though.

    Even from the beginning, Josh is defensive about his brother who apparently is a Marine. But is he? Could he actually be in prison? Or dead? Maybe the first of Josh’s victims? Maybe he’s dead and his Mum and Josh keep his room exactly the same like a shrine. I mean…his Mum is not exactly…normal…or around much…

    The scene where Josh comes to visit Zach one evening, after the party, and Zach and Josh go outside of Zach’s house to talk away from Zach’s Mum…

    Zach tells Josh that he knows how he feels but Josh shouts back at him saying “No you don’t fucking know how I feel okay?” Josh goes onto to shout at Zach accusing him of talking crap that Zach thinks is ‘nice’ because deep down he is scared.

    Josh then tells Zach “Well, you’re wrong. And you’re wrong about me too.”

    Its only my opinion…but for me this was the turning point where I felt that Josh was telling Zach that their friendship was only one way. It was a false relationship for Josh. He tried to be a ‘friend’, but deep down he couldn’t be ‘nice’ and talk normal everyday stuff like normal everyday people. That he WAS different.

    I feel he was telling Zach that his judgment about their friendship and their bond was wrong. That Zach’s belief in Josh’s character was wrong. I think Josh had managed to stay below the radar as a possible high school shooter-type of teenager but his lies were now unraveling and he couldn’t maintain the ‘normal high school’ persona that Zach believed in and liked.

    Shoot me down…but that’s what I’m thinking…

    P.S. I love that you tweeted Luke. Fantastic!

  26. Helen

    So many theories! After the movie ended, I had to rewind back to when Daryl was killed. To me I feel like it wasn’t an accident because it looked like Josh may have grabbed Daryl and purposely fell backwards to make Daryl fall onto the sword. I can’t conclude to what Josh’s facial expression represented because it looked like he may have been either shocked from satisfaction or scared. And the way he was reacting afterwards, may have been an act to make the incident look like an accident. Although Josh was the one who stabbed Daryl, Zach co tributed to the murder by pulling the sword out of Daryl’s neck which made him bleed out. After pulling out the sword Zach must have realized that he was partially responsible and wanted to cover Daryl’s body to primarily save himself from dealing with the consequences and Josh secondly. The paranoia of having Daryl’s body found only affected Zach the most, because his action in Daryl’s death was actually unintentional. Josh didn’t seem to worry too much about the body being found, and neither did Charlie. Some people on this thread think Allison was the mastermind, but I find it hard to believe she manipulated herself into being raped. But then again I don’t understand how she seems like she found peace after everything. If I witnessed a friend of mine getting murdered, I know I would be traumatized for life. I also don’t get how she touches her hair so much.. even at the ending of the movie. I really do believe traumatic events change people, but she looks like herself all over again. Maybe recovery is possible and this movie is also trying to send that message for those who have experienced that kind of trauma, or maybe she really is some sort of mastermind. Zach’s dream of finding a girl’s body in the woods where Daryl’s body was located which resulted in himself having a wet dream in class threw me off. I think that part of of the movie meant to show that the mind plays tricks on us. This movie stressed me out. I’m here looking for answers, but there’s just endless possibilities in this movie. I guess that’s the point.. to use our imagination if there won’t be a sequel. To the mystery of what happened to Zach, I think he may be in jail for manslaughter or a psychiatric hospital.

  27. JC

    I normally love twisted coming of age films and nostalgia films (Heavenly Creatures is one of my favorite films and Stranger Things ditto for series) but I found this one wanting. Strip away the gorgeous cinematography and period detail and all we have is a pretty banal murder story with dubious psychology and characters who – across the board – behave unlike anyone in the real world would. The whole premise seems contrived as no one in their right minds would try to cover up something that is so clearly an accident and most of their actions in the film seem frankly stupid.

  28. Shelby

    People in movies aren’t necessarily making rational decisions and this is not the first time something like this has happened in a movie. In every movie with an accidental death (/situations like an overdose where the person could potentially be saved) I ALWAYS wonder why people don’t just go to the police and/or hospital. But that’s the movie. We are watching these characters, not my character or your character.

    It’s hard to know what we would do in an extreme situation – think about Zimbardo’s Stanford prison experiment. Those were regular people that, in an extreme situation, did some really fucked up things. Just because it seems unlikely doesn’t mean it is.

  29. JD

    I thought the movie was quite good and there seem to be hidden symbols in the movie like most of you have pointed out.
    Two that I noticed.. Im not sure how significant
    IN the end Allison is driving isnt she? I dont remember anyone driving prior to that. Does it mean anything ? Is it a sign of growing up?
    Her locker has a picture of someone just next to the timetable. I couldnt make out who.

  30. andy schmitt

    Is Zach gay? It would explain his disinterest in Allison. & Allison mentioned that his pink cast looks natural on him. & why does he have a pink cast? Would any straight guy wear a pink cast? sensitive boy. & Zach also says he loves Josh & this enrages Josh. perhaps unable to deal w/ his love for Zach. Also smoking pot was involved in all the murders. Josh couldn’t handle pot.

  31. RDL

    Late to the party.

    I think Josh, while holed up in his room for that time after the incident, came up with the plan to end the guilty hell, and free his friend of the burden. He essentially turns the scenario into a Legend Of Zelda scenario (recall Zach almost desperately asking Josh what game he was playing). At the end, during the climax and bloody fight, Zach begs Josh to consider what he’s doing because they’re friends. Well I think Josh was doing what he was doing BECAUSE they are best friends: he’s turned himself into evil warlord Ganon, and Zach into protagonist and hero Link, and allows Link to save Princess Zelda (Allison). This allows Zach to be exonerated from the crime, and to have his princess. Twisted, yes, but also somewhat noble.


    I’m not sure that Josh “accidentally” stabbed Daryl. What if he was trying to make it look like an accident. Also, right after the killing, Josh said to Zach, “It was an accident, please believe me.”

    The chicken or the egg?

  33. Jackie

    I think Josh was clearly on drugs throughout the movie but definitely at the end. He’s sniffing and wiping his nose the whole time and at the end Meghan tells him he’s got a little something and indicates his nose. Also, when him and Zach are in Meghan’s living room talking, Josh’s pupils are enormous. Where did the drugs come from and what was the significance?


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