First, let’s set the expectations. You arrived wondering what the heck happened with this movie. And by the end? I promise you that you will be bringing us your own theories to explain the movie We’ve Forgotten More Than We Ever Knew… I absolutely promise you.

Hahahahahaha. Oh my gosh. Mike is my new best friend. Why? Because he recommended to us this marvelous movie. And holy hot damn! hahahaha. Man I loved this movie. I loved absolutely everything about this movie. The fact that there were only three actors. The fact that it was a closed box movie (an expansive box, but closed box all the same.) The tone. The dialogue. The mystery. The holy crap what is going on here – that lasted almost the entire movie. No, that is not true. It lasted every single minute the movie was running… including the credits. Better yet? Thomas Woodrow, the writer and director reached out to me the other day to see if I’d like to chat. And chat we did! A even hit him with a couple questions that came directly from you all.


My friends actually are weary of the movies that I love, because often times, the general audience at large can’t stand them because they are so confusing or non-mainstream. But I say, why do normal? We did that already! I’ve got an idea!! Let’s do different now for a change! hahaha.

Ok, so what is this mind blowing movie, entitled We’ve Forgotten More Than We Ever Knew, all about? Well, it’s a simple concept really. Two people, walking through the woods of a post apocalyptic forest are constantly on the move. Constantly searching for other people, and constantly searching for the silver ridge. They have no knowledge of a before. They only remember this struggling life that they have had. When they suddenly come to two buildings that emerged out of nowhere. The buildings might be perfectly safe and the perfect solution to their nomadic life up until that point. Only problem? The building isn’t what it might seem. And it may or may not be inhabited by something not 100% friendly. That is literally all I can say without obliterating this movie for you.

I’m going to put the trailer right here. But if I were you, and if you haven’t seen the movie… DO NOT WATCH IT. Just head over to your Amazon Prime account, and hit play and thank me for it later.

So that happened. Ok. So from here on out, I’m going to pop the lid off this movie, and it’s going to get all kinds of crazy spoilery from here on out.


Detailed We’ve Forgotten More Than We Ever Knew Movie Walkthrough

First, let’s start with the cast, shall we? There are no names in this movie. There is Man. There is Woman. And there is Man found in the Pool. Not exactly succinct… but it’ll have to do for now. So Man is played by Aaron Stanford, of the 12 Monkeys television show. (Nothing else he’s done matters, I adored that show.) And Woman is played by Louisa Krause, of Donald Cried, which I totally flipped for. And finally, Man from the Pool is played by Doug Jones, who has been monsters in about a billion movies, but his most recent and well known role would be The Shape of Water.

The movie opens with a quote from Woman.  It’s carefully worded… “Will you tell me something?” Does she mean, tell me a truth? Tell me something I don’t know? Tell me of our home? Tell me a fictional story… a total bedtime story for keeping from going completely out of my mind here. The quote was so carefully worded and so ambiguous, that I re-wound it three times and listened over and over again. Or better yet? Could it be that the woman has asked to have this entire movie, this entire story – as it were – told to her while she is sitting by the fire. And with this movie, absolutely nothing is off the table… anything could be right side up.

The Movie Begins With The First Unforgivable Lie. (If you capitalize the first letter of each word it makes it look more important. Like a subheading.) And that first unforgivable lie is the fact that Man has been telling Woman for years now, that they need to keep moving in order to find the other people, the place with the beds, and the sheets, and the food, and oh the water. They are heading to something called the Silver Ridge. But this has all been a lie. Why? In order to keep them moving. Give them something worth moving for. And when Woman finds out? She’s none too pleased. None too pleased at all.

But suddenly, out of nowhere there are the two towers, and suddenly, Man has no need to move on anymore. Man has no need to chase after his self constructed lie anymore. And so he sheds the lie, and stops with the hiking.

The Problem Of The Two Towers

These towers are strange in pretty much every way. There is plenty of water. There is plenty of food. And the gathering and collecting of these items were so insignificant, it isn’t even given a mention. There is a kitchen. Working faucets. The location is obviously a location of a bygone era. A dusty location of a once hopping metropolis. And yet, there are no roads to it. There is no sign of the forest’s reclamation of the rest of the city. It is just there, as if dropped to the earth by God himself. And when things are this easy, they are this easy for a reason. There usually is a deeper lesson to learn here. A deeper story to be gleaned from. It’s as if the author is queuing as to what is and isn’t important, and here? It’s as if Thomas Woodrow, the screenplay author and director, is saying water gathering? No. Food gathering? Nope. But a morality tale? Yeah… it’s got a good beat, and heck, you might even be able to dance to it.

The Man From the Pool

The opening of the movie is 100% about Man and Woman’s acclimation to the Two Towers. They come in, find a room they prefer, they find the food, the water. They learn to eat with forks and act somewhat civilized. Though everything comes to them through a shade darkly. Eventually Man help’s Woman heal her ankle (it should be said that the tech that he uses to heal her broken bone is so über that it has to be pretty significantly far into the future. Though the tech of the towers is closer to our reality, though decidedly not) and they learn the ins and outs of the place. And one day, while Man is exploring, he finds a pool. And at the bottom of the pool is a man. A very tall and lanky man. He’s obviously alive. But he doesn’t tell Woman about him. He just cordons off the second building, and keeps his existence to himself. And That Would Be Man’s Second Unforgivable Lie.

But soon? Woman sees the sandbags, and she realizes its hiding something, and just walks on the ground between the buildings and discovers the Man from the Pool herself. Soon she is posing him, cleaning him, and dressing him. But most importantly, she is talking to him and telling him everything. Telling him the stories that Man has told her. And when Woman asks Man about what is in the other building he says nothing. And when she says, “I just want us to be honest.” he responds with, “I didn’t see anything.”

You think I am making too much of his lies to her? Their silos. Their recalcitrance and their sedimentary layers of silence? Nope. I’m not, because that is what this movie is 100% about.

And while Man and Woman attempt to continue to build a life together in this new place, they continue to slip further and further away. Playing pool together? “I remember this game. I’m starting to remember more from before. I believe I was good at it. it was called pool, or billions, pool I believe.” But ultimately they slip to their own portions of the building. Man to his recordings, and his music, and his messing with the electrical. (Which, is interesting, because he’s able to turn the power on. From where? From what? How? But that is besides the point.) And then there is Woman, who has taken to painting the walls of one of the rooms. Like paintings of people, and civilization, and buildings. And the man in the pool has only exacerbated the distance that is already there.

Ultimately, when Woman shows Man her heart… her paintings, he comes completely and totally unglued. Why? Because he is certain that the people? The civilizations? All of it, all the things from her memories? It’s all false. It’s all a lie. And even though they have memories of something else, that something else is dead, or was implanted. And she is chasing a false dream, and is just leading herself on now. And he won’t have it. Later though, he realizes he did EXACTLY the wrong thing. And though he tries to apologize, they are millions of miles apart now.

Slowly The Catatonic Begins To Move

And as Man, and as Woman, continue to visit the Man from the Pool he slowly begins to move of his own accord. Mainly for Woman. But its clear to them both that Man from the Pool is awakening. And time is slipping away from them. They can’t seem to sense time’s passage anymore. (Strangely similar to Welcome the Stranger in almost every way. But we’ll get back to that comparison later on.) And wait, the music is doing something to them. And the walls of the building aren’t quite right too. Something is wrong here Houston… do you read me? Something is definitely wrong here. And it all seems to be correllating with the Man from the Pool’s beginning movement.

And just like that, Man from the Pool begins moving more… and moving in earnest. So much so that he screams long and loud in one of the freakishly scariest scenes I’ve ever seen. And what does he do when he starts moving? He begins seducing Woman. They dress in all black, and cufflinks, pearls and he takes her to a hidden location of the buildings and they dance. Man sees Woman go over to Man from the Pool, and realizes what’s about to happen. So he heads to the pool as quickly as he can. But he takes her to the hidden area of the buildings and can’t find them. And that is when he realizes that when looking through mirrors, he can see that the walls really aren’t there. Or they lose their solidity? Not 100% clear on this point. But it’s through the mirrors that he is able to back his way into where they are dancing. But to get there, he broke a shard of mirror deep into his arm and his horribly hurt and losing a lot of blood.

As they continue dancing, the Man found in the Pool becomes more and more fierce, and more and more unrelenting with Woman. And eventually she yells as loud as she can, and he falls, and tumbles back down and into the pool.

The Ending of We’ve Forgotten More Than We Ever Knew Explained

I want to point out one thing that I intentionally skipped over a moment ago. Woman, she actually actively, locked Man in his room with the tapes. She actively shut him down when she headed to the Man found in the Pool. And when she got to him she said, “I just don’t want to ever hear his lying voice anymore.” And with that? That was the prime mover to make him start moving, unlocking him, if you will. It is her willful and violent act of walking away from Man that makes Man from the Pool move.

Now, if you’ve seen the movie, The One I Love (if you haven’t, WHAT THE HECK?!), or as I mentioned earlier, Welcome the Stranger (Another head trip movie), and others like it (like Caught, The Wildling, or even 10×10) you’ll know that We’ve Forgotten More Than We Ever Knew fits in this wild niche of small budget, small cast, closed box, movies, that pushes the boundaries of our definition of what is reality. In The One I Love we see one couple, debating and arguing with another copy of themselves as they try and figure out what is real and worth fighting for in their relationship. In Welcome the Stranger, we watch a man play in a weird out of body tug of war between two women with differing goals and differing agendas for his mind. And here in We’ve Forgotten? We see one couple tug-of-warring with an evil manifestation, attempting to tear them apart.

And it is when Woman decides to cast him off, he rolls back down into his catatonic state. Then Man and Woman turn the power off to the building, pack their things and move on.


Right? Because, if you got into this movie at all, it’s because you know that the thing that you are literally watching, isn’t the thing that is literally happening. It literally cannot be. Why can’t it be you ask? Well, for starters, the Man found in the Pool? Yes, there are catatonic people in the world today, but not ones that don’t get fed, or don’t go to the bathroom somehow. So he can’t literally be real. And the buildings? There was no infrastructure there. No roads. No city in ruins. It was just two buildings sitting in a forest? That isn’t a thing. All the customers walked on foot to get there? And what about the support infrastructure for those buildings? The water? The Sewage? Where was the food coming from? So if the Man found in the Pool is some version of fake, and the buildings are some version of fake… then what is going on here? Well, why don’t I just lay out a pile of possibilities and discuss them.

We’ve Forgotten More Than We Ever Knew Explained – Theory #1

Theory one is the literal theory. What if a catatonic man could survive somehow in the future? And what if buildings could be built in the forest and built upon an infrastructure that could support itself forever? Then what we have is a sad dystopian tale about a couple that collide with the Man found in the Pool and that’s that. It was probably just one of a million chaotic moments in their life they were lucky to have survived. Along with mountain lions, and cliffs, and frostbite… the Man found in the Pool was just another potentially horrific end to their sad lives.

We’ve Forgotten More Than We Ever Knew Explained – Theory #2

What if I was right at the outset? What if the two towers were just a story that Man tells to Woman while at the camp fire one night? And what if her mind just goes loose as he’s telling it? Filling in details. Filling in the gaps of the story as he tells it? Then that would mean that it is an interesting morality tale, sort of, a harbinger of risks and a tale that warns them against the walls that their survival has imposed upon them. But just an interesting story. And that’s about it.

This isn’t that far fetched of a theory. We know that in the future, there are constellations that are different from ours, and one of the most interesting ones is the Two Towers constellation. Did Man just use the stars he was seeing in the sky as a roadmap for the story he told Woman? Was he trying to warn her of their distance? Maybe? Or maybe the telling was a collaborative effort?

We’ve Forgotten More Than We Ever Knew Explained – Theory #3

Theory three could be a million sub-theories, but I’m going to keep it simple, and confined to just one. What if We’ve Forgotten is actually a morality tale? It isn’t real at all. (Maybe it’s a dream, maybe it’s catatonic man adrift, maybe its literally nothing but Man’s daydream. Heck? Maybe it’s my daydream) But at the end of the day, what if it’s just a story to warn you of something? A cautionary tale? But warning us of what?

Well, we know that as the movie progresses, Man and Woman make just about every single wrong turn possible along the way. But each of these wrong turns are things that we make each day. With our spouses, significant others, we choose daily to not tell that story, or share that thought. Personally, my brain runs at 400 million miles a second all day every day. And the number of moments I have with my wife are very very few. So of those moments that we share, am I choosing to listen? Am I choosing to share something that happened at work? Am I showing her my latest society 6 design or asking about her latest hobby or joy? But in this movie, Man builds a silo among his recordings. And Woman builds a silo among her art. And instead of sharing these thoughts together, they use the catatonic man in the pool as a personal therapist. Why? Because the stress of life is easier to diffuse with the Man found in the Pool than with each other.

Which, I have to say from personal experience, is real life to a T. Sure, I’ve never met a catatonic guy that lives in the bottom of a pool, but I have a library card. I have a Netflix subscription. I have a drug addiction. (ok, I don’t have that last one, but you get my larger point.) Instead of talking with your significant other, and working through the complexities of communication, I say, “Yup… pretty boring day honey.” When in fact I thought I might lose my job there for 15 minutes. Right? So the movie is a morality play about the walls that come between us in our relationships and keep us from strengthening our ties with our loved ones. Personally, this is the theory that makes the most sense to me. But unfortunately, Thomas Woodrow weighed in and thinks he knows better because he wrote the dang thing! hahaha Which brings us to Theory #4.

We’ve Forgotten More Than We Ever Knew Explained – Theory #4

Theory #3 and theory #4 are almost exactly the same thing, but for a significant key detail. So same as #3, we have a morality tale happening here. A story we should all learn from, but instead of a cautionary tale of against avoiding the difficulties of communication, instead it is a reminder that we should all avoid looking for the greener grass elsewhere. Don’t believe me? Here. Why don’t we have Mr. Smarty Pants Thomas Woodrow explain it to us since it’s “his” movie, yadda yadda yadda!

“I really wanted to pose questions for the audience more than give anybody answers, because my experience of life is asking questions and not having answers. I hate it when movies or stories try to give me answers they don’t really have or haven’t earned. But if there’s anything I, myself, have tried to embrace as I’ve worked through making this film, it’s probably a kind of affirmation or gratitude for the way things are and what we have. We can always imagine a “better” version of our circumstances, our partners, our lives, but in doing so we’re in a way negating what they actually are. Which is usually more fascinating and beautiful than what we can merely imagine.”

So there you have it. There are the 4 theories that seem to make the most sense to me. I mean, what are your Theories to Explain the Movie We’ve Forgotten More Than We Ever Knew? You got something better than the 4 I have here? I want to hear them! Share them in the the comments below.

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26 Responses

  1. Mike

    So here is an exercise for anyone with too much time on their hands… Something I noticed immediately from the opening credits was the sort of alien writing the words began as then morphed or more accurately maybe, were translated into English letters. There was also this same alien writing in the movie, on the reel to reel tape deck and on the magazine covers in the room. So maybe someone can use the opening credits to figure out the “code” then translate what it says on the covers… Ready set go!
    Link to an interview with Doug Jones aka man in the pool. In this interview Doug gives a few possible explanations.

  2. sara

    I loved this film! Wow. I had NO clue what happened after it was over, but I loved it immediately just because Doug Jones is so incredible to watch. The way he can emote with his face and body, silently, is unbelievable. Now that I’ve had a chance to ruminate on the actual story, I have some thoughts…

    Personally, I like to think of movies like this both literally and metaphorically, even though it seems (from what the director said) that this film was meant to be mostly-to-completely metaphorical. But once art is released to the world, it’s out of the maker’s hands, right? So I can choose to believe whatever I want! :p

    First off, as far as metaphors go, I think your idea that this is a morality tale is right on point. I think it’s all about how we communicate and connect with other people, our partners or loved ones in particular. What we choose to tell them or keep from them and why. How sometimes we may have the best intentions in keeping a secret, but how that doesn’t undo the damage or the distance it puts between us. And later, how partners sometimes make a choice to live a lie in order to stay together. It also made me ruminate a bit on what the “easy” choice really is.

    But as far as a literal story goes… that’s where things get dicey, because it’s SO open-ended. I read the interview linked in the comment above, and Doug Jones says something about the two towers, or even his character, being a portal to another dimension, which adds an interesting wrinkle. It makes sense to me that the two towers would be some sort of portal, because of the way time moves strangely inside them (i.e. how the woman intricately painted that entire room and didn’t remember doing it, and even the man in the pool himself seeming frozen… perhaps in time?). I think maybe the man in the pool is some sort of alien or otherworldly being, and that he presents some sort of a test for humans… to what end, I don’t know. But I would love to know what would have happened if the woman had kept dancing with the man!

    Finally, I think there must be a cyclical aspect to it. It seems notable that the man in the pool ended up in the exact same position he was in when the couple originally found him. Maybe it has to do with that fog in the woods? Maybe it’s a memory-wiping fog and they’ve been here before? I don’t know, but I like thinking about it!

  3. Chris T.

    Another theory… and of course, further questions… Something that could fit into the quasi-literal, quasi-alt-reality path. We know from the magic bandages that we’re deep into a future of some kind. Maybe really deep. Maybe those mirrors are technology also. For all we know, this could be another planet, like a Mars (but not nessarily Mars), where in future times, terraforming was attempted, worked for a while, failed, etc etc. Or maybe a far future earth. The fact that power, water, magically works in the two towers resort, could represent forward technology. Maybe roads leading up were there once, but like Chernobyl, long since grown over. Now to Man in Pool. He does not age, he holds poses, you can punch him, and it doesn’t injure…. maybe Man in Pool is, shall we say, a replicant of some sort. Last of his kind, their ‘concierge to the universe’. I also had a thought that the ‘music’ that Man finds, and shares with Woman…. maybe it’s partially a poison to both Man and Woman. Maybe it’s chock full of mal-signals. At some points, they seem almost addicted to listening to it. You have to admit, Mark Korven did amazing job with score in this movie…. Maybe just the act of listening to those reel to reel audio frequencies sends them farther into a bad place. By the way, Reel to Reel players, and recordings? What I’d call future-retro to say the least. It’s funny, we get plenty of night scenes, plenty of stars, but never our moon. Heck, maybe this is another world far away, where alien life has created a mock-up… a trial run of sorts. And this is the experiment running through to a failed outcome, followed by a reboot and 2nd try (or maybe it’s the umteenth try). Anyway, it’s a lucious movie. If you’re one of those like me who loves it when the backdrop (the art direction & production design) exists as its own character (think Blackcoat’s Daugher, Blade Runner, etc), that’s what really hit the spot with this film. I felt the building was alive, and I enjoyed getting to know it better!. Last inquiry… the room where man was listening to those reel to reel tapes…. I get that the door maybe was soundproof…. maybe… but bullet proof (aka chair proof)? More alien tech at work? I have no idea. That’s the fun of it, I guess!

  4. Keith Pretzer

    I noted that there was a wall clock displayed and the numerals were not anything we see on our clocks, almost as if some alien symbols were used, yet appeared to be otherwise like our clocks. We want this to all make sense because humans search for causes and effects, patterns, etc. but this is just a piece of fiction. A surreal little flick I enjoyed.

  5. Lori

    Ok im more macabre. The two were obviously test subjects of some bored powerful Entity..maybe alien…maybe not even on earth they be. The pool guy is a bored Entity..alien perhaps and is part of experiment or the one running it…the recordings were the record being kept by this Being or even Beings.

  6. Mike

    OK so apparently I’m the guy with too much time on my hands… I decrypted some if the “alien” writing. The tape recorder is a TEAC. A real brand of reel to reel tape recorders. The manual he looks at to turn the power on was acutually a prop manual for the tape recorder. On the front it says TEAC. Tape Recorder. Evidently it was meant to be used with the tape recorder but was used for the electrical panel instead. I mean come on… who will know… lol The magazines are-The “something I haven’t figure out yet” Times…

  7. Nancy el

    A life comentary.
    Man emerges into a hostile world feeling there should be more, things vaguely remebered. They learn to survive but dreamed of a better world. Suddenly that wotld appears. But it’s too vast too elaborate. It has secrets. They leave to find a more human sized world. And since they are creating their world they will find it.

  8. Elsie

    These are all great theories and even helped me sway my husband into agreeing with me after watching. Lol

    Firstly, let’s discuss the tangible… what’s physically happening in the film. Some have mentioned some aspects of what I’m about to say but I’m going to pull it together here as I thought the same things:
    I believe Man and Woman are lab rats being tested by some alien entity.
    The highly modern tech, the alien language, these empty towers propped up in the middle of a forest out of nowhere (with food, drinking water, running water, clothing, electricity… a dream shelter), Man and Woman having no real memory of their past, the distorted time, and Man in the Pool ending up right back in his starting position…
    All of this led felt like some aliens said: “Okay, reset the humans to the start of the maze! Survival Simulation Take 2. Let’s see how long it takes them to find the cheese this time.”

    Secondly, let’s discuss the intangible… the nuances of what’s emotionally happening between Man and Woman. All good sci-fi makes commentary on real life social problems or behavior. And therefore I agree that this is a story of morality. The lesson is to appreciate what you have because the grass isn’t always greener.
    Having no real memory of the past, Man creates a past and a future to give Woman hope to continue moving forward. But because man knows his stories are BS, he is happy with the towers. Woman on the other hand is not happy at first because the towers are not the future she hoped for. But she becomes happy with Man in the Pool, a man who is silent and thus, cannot lie to her as Man has. So man finds his utopia in the safety of this new building, while Woman finds her utopia in the safety of a new man.
    BUT all isn’t as it seems. One of them is severely injured while the other almost… eaten maybe? Who knows, we just know it was going to be bad. So Man and Woman learn their lesson and head back into the wild where they were safer and back to the lie that gave them hope.

    Thirdly, I want to discuss something not discussed in this article or comments that also helps with the lab rats theory.
    One key detail about Man in the Pool is the tapes he left behind.
    In one of his tapes he discusses a woman he is waiting for. In another he hears strange sounds. I believe Man in the Pool was “test subject A”. His “woman” he is waiting for, is the fabricated hopeful story he made up (or was implanted with) just as with Man and his story. And once the aliens gained whatever knowledge they needed from him, they dumped his experiment, moved on to “phase 2” testing a man and woman together, and made Man in the Pool a part of the next phase. Which could explain why he looks human but everything else about him is very alien.

  9. Thomas Woodrow

    Hello all,

    I’m the writer/director of the film and I love hearing all of your thoughts! When I set out to make the movie in the first place, my only requirements for the result were that it should:

    1.) Be beautiful (aesthetically)
    2.) Be something at least I have not seen before (be “new”)
    3.) Be engrossing/entertaining for its duration and
    4.) Make people think about interesting things

    It’s not for me to judge how well I did any of those things, but based on what I’ve read here, it sounds like y’all are resonating with #4! I do have my own “answers” to the blanks in the movie, but those are honestly no more “right” than anything you all might come up with. The film is intended to be a collaboration with its audience.

    As you can imagine, I’m not super interested in sharing my interpretations (yours are just as valid!) but if you’re interested in how the film was made on any level, I’d be happy to share that stuff.

    Thanks for watching, guys! You’re the reason I made it in the first place.

  10. Taylor

    Love it when creators like Mr. Woodrow come down and walk among us. In the next couple days, I will be pulling together questions for an interview with him. I promise you that I will rip up one of my ontologically based (and therefore excruciatingly boring) questions and replace it with yours if you ask it here. (Or email me. Either way.) ok?

    I’ll send a Starbucks card for 10 bucks for the first person with a question that convinces Senjor Thomas to admit that theory #3 is better than theory #4. And yes. That is dirty pool. So what! Hahaha. Seriously though, send me your questions gang.

  11. Austin

    This is not a complete theory, just some observations and possible interpretations.

    The main character names are Man and Woman. This signals that the movie is an allegory with “universal” application. As much as I would like there to be aliens in the movie, I believe all surreal and technological “oddities” (mirrors, random skyscrapers, trekkie bandages, etc.) are best viewed as representing something in our world.

    Man and Woman (humanity) don’t know where they came from or why they are here. Man has created a story to give them purpose and hope. Since it’s not obvious, Humans have long created creation and ending stories to answer these questions and give them meaning and hope. (I think it’s safe to say men have been the primary creators of these myths so it’s appropriate that Man made up this story and told Woman).

    Things appear to go normally until they run into something that doesn’t really fit the story (the Towers) which seems to be focused on finding rest and community. The Towers do provide them food and shelter that requires significantly less effort than life in the woods, which frees up their time for other pursuits (like art, and obsessing). To me, they appear to represent the advances of modernity that provides humans with significantly more free time a hunter gatherer lifestyle.

    The Pool Man lives in the Towers though he isn’t the type of person their story imagined. However, he does provide comfort and someone to talk to when things are not going well. He doesn’t talk back though, which seems just fine.
    Altogether this appears to represent God/Monotheism, which is very dualistic compared to the animism or polytheism that preceded it. (one of the towers even appears darker than the other in a way that can’t be explained by shadow/foreground/background, etc.). The historical and archeological record places the rise of monotheism along with the decline of hunter gatherer way of life. Pool Man has a darker side too which comes out when Woman is feeling neglected. I find this one of best parts of the movie and illustrates how humans interact with the concepts of good/evil and God/Devil. Evil/The Devil has been blamed for many bad acts and therefore is just more *active*. God on the other hand, worked for a few days creating the world, left some instructions and rested (bye y’all, call me, mean it!). The Devil, on the other hand, is always causing some sort of havoc. So in the movie, Woman starts interacting with the Pool Man in a not so Godlike way and falls for his wiley ways (sound familiar) (one red shoe = apple?).

    Woman realizes her “dance with the devil” is going nowhere good when Man injures himself to rescue her and snaps out of it in time to nurse Man back to health and apologize. While Man is sleeping, Woman repeats, like a prayer, the old “lie” story (that she previously got twisted about since Man just made it up) to comfort herself (she either actually believes it or doesn’t care to think about it’s “trueness” anymore since it provides comfort).

    Man and Woman then “decide” (actually there is no discussion, they just leave) that they are better off in the woods and without the relatively easy life of the Towers. To date, every civilization has eventually reverted back to something more primitive. That said, it’s not clear if the movie has a message (like unplug and live off the land), is just an illustration (this is what humans do), or a prediction of the inevitable.

    Random Thoughts

    Odd Characters = language, as a sign of the historical era.
    Mirrors that show things that aren’t there = modern technology, which Man is initially wary of and confounded by, but learns to use.
    The Film Room = Records of the past that Man tries to understand but that go against the lie story, so he shields from Woman. Allegory for scientific exploration?
    Wall Art = religious art (which humans started doing on cave walls) (Man’s new understands makes this look ridiculous and has an extreme (Richard Dawkins) reaction).
    Home = Heaven / rest

    That’s all I got.

  12. Morteza Haghani

    I watched the movie tonight, I liked it somehow, as I was watching the movie I thought it is warning us about technology advancements and how it affected us of in our modern life. We were hunter gatherers for many many years and we had dreams and expectations, one of the main features of Homo Sapiens, we made thos dreams come true and we are seeking for more, but as a result, the modern life is not what we expected to be. Where is true happiness and do we really enjoy life as we should? The movie reminded me of the book “Sapiens: A Brief History of Humankind” a lot actually, or maybe it’s all in my mind LOL.

  13. Jordan

    Hi, I’d like to know more from Mr Woodrow about the “alien” writing; and I would also love to know where this was filmed! Love the location.

  14. Shelby

    Loved it! Spent the whole movie trying to figure out who/what the man in the pool is and why he’s there, and I have to say I was pleasantly surprised to not have been told the answer in the movie.

    I went back and forth between alien and robot, good and evil, and finally I think I settled on the whole scenario being a metaphor. Similar to Primer, I view this as a cautionary tale of drifting apart after you begin lying in a relationship. The third person’s (in this case, the man in the pool’s) role (manipulative, genuine, whatever) sort of becomes irrelevant after you’ve lost someone’s trust. A solid relationship can withstand any opponent!

    (also super cool that the writer/director commented!)

  15. Taylor Holmes

    Hey Shelby,
    yeah your comment worked (one of the big glitches on the site is that sometimes the commenting occasionally gets a little wonky.) I loved that Mr. Woodrow appeared out of nowhere, and let me chat with him about this super cool little film. Definitely a film I reserve recommending until I know the viewer can handle the goodness within. Because it is decidedly not for everyone. But man did I love this film.

    And yeah, definitely this movie is out in the left field of metaphor. But a good allegory for teaching us all something about the evil of settling and drifting.

  16. alan paul

    From the outset two people wandering in the woods, surviving. Led or driven by a made up story. Bound in together – perhaps of necessity.

    Trauma. A dense choking fog/smoke. As it clears two towers emerge joined by a single bridge.

    Each has found the man in the pool and develops there own relationship with him. The man merely poses for the man like a manikin. While for the women he comes to life at the telling of a story. (jumping ahead) when the man from the pool comes fully to life he becomes more than an idealized version of what the woman wanted.

    The tape says it was the sound of nothing “maybe it came from my mind”

    Perhaps it is the story that creates the bridge between them and that is why they leave the towers because the story is better than “a” reality.

  17. Richard

    Perhaps, this movie is so well done bad, it lends itself to try to figure it out. Versus a bad movie that is badly done. No one wants to take the time to figure out a true mess. We’ve Forgotten More Then We Ever Knew is a bad movie. Because it seems artsy and confusing does not a good movie make. By analyzing different plots, we , myself included, become the real life equivalent of the 3 people in the movie. The more important question to ask , “ why did we all watch to the end , a bad movie “?

    • Taylor Holmes

      Nope. 100% disagree.

      If you didn’t like it, that is fine. But this is not a bad movie, nor is this “movie so well done bad, it lends itself to try and figure it out.” (Maybe you meant, ‘badly’?) But no, not even a little bit. I adored this movie and everything about it, but I mostly enjoyed the message and the moral that stands here as an unambiguous signpost to us and our generation. It’s fair for you to dislike it, but to dismiss it out of hand speaks more about you than the movie itself.

  18. Taylor Holmes

    Posting this on behalf of someone that got a little confused and ended up posting it… uh elsewhere: “first, the women was badly injured and the man was also very sick if you notice, so when he carries her and lies down in the cold it seem more like he new they would not recover and he wanted them to die together. And the story being portrayed after seems like something they where desperately trying to seek but never found so they dream about what could have been. Also,there was a figure of a man if nobody caught it he was present when the women first woke up he was reflected in a mirror seen when the women is walking through the floor of the dining room which looks like the comatose guy after she dresses him in a suit weird much.”

  19. Nicholas Stillman

    Dystopian Adam and Eve retelling. The towers are the Garden of Eden where everything’s provided. The pool man is the serpent, slender and slow-moving, tempting them with knowledge (the reel in his coat). This time, the couple rejects the knowledge and cast themselves out.

  20. Mark Holcomb

    I believe that the movie takes place on a distant alien world many light years away. The constellations are different in this case because they are in a different part of our galaxy. The alien alphabet and numbers on the clock face are also consistent with this view. The Man in the Pool is a robot or Android who doesn’t require sustenance, i.e., food and water. His battery or power source is nearly empty hence his lethargy.

  21. Mario

    I love all the ideas and theories presented here! This is one of the best discussions on a movie this type I have read. Some of my ideas are:

    The Alien Language: the Man and Woman have their past erased maybe by whatever disaster caused the Apocalypse. They forgot how to read or count so they see symbols that have no meaning to them. That’s why when they are reading the magazines, they never comment about the articles, just the photos.

    The Towers: White and Black, Ying and Yang, Man and Woman. I believe they live on the white one. The Man’s side of things: he tells the story, he decides to stay, he cares for her his way. There is a tower connecting both sides that is blocked at first.
    The Man is more interesting in technology like the reel to reel and electricity.
    The Woman tries to find her feminist, artistic side searching on the other tower. Searching for the man (who she thinks actually hears and understand her) and painting the room.

    The Recordings: Those are not the recording of the Man on the Pool. These are the recordings of the people who came before them (The Man and the Woman) and were part of what happened there the last time. Like a cycle. The Man on the Pool falls in the same place to start again with the next subjects. The noise in the recording is the Man in the Pool screaming. He is the monsters of silence the person in the recordings is narrating.

    The Mirrors: Things are not always what we think, there are path hidden in the reflections. Secrets?

  22. Fitmart

    The movie was about purgatory or maybe hell. The couple does not remember the time before (time before they died). A common theme among NDE (near death experience) where the individual is in hell, they say it is a place of despair where souls just lose hope and don’t know who they are. It also explains why things don’t match reality. (fresh food, running water, working electricity) The man at the pool is the devil or a demon. The couple are being tested. The more they interact with evil, the further apart they become. In order for the couple to survive, each had to reject the devil. The womans rejection was obvious when she threw him in the pool. The first mans rejection was when he saw the pool man stealing the woman. Furthermore, the first man had to reflect upon himself in order to save the girl. That is why he could only rescue her by looking through the mirror.


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